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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hannah Spencer harassed in Manchester

243 replies

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 08:42

Despite the fact that certain very vocal sections of this board are aggressively anti-trans and anti-Green, I'd gently suggest that this kind of confrontation and abuse is unacceptable in any civilised society, regardless of personal ideologies.

Link to article

Perhaps the saddest irony here is that these male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman MP. On International Women's Day.

I'd be curious to see how other MNetters feel about this situation...

Green Party say 'Hannah Spencer won't be silenced' after Manchester violence

Hannah Spencer, Gorton and Denton's newly-elected MP, was ushered into a police car amid the unfolding chaos

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/green-party-hannah-spencer-mp-33554288

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SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 09/03/2026 14:27

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 12:30

Good job OP started this thread!

Absolutely! It's been... enlightening. Many posters have obligingly outed themselves here.

Outed themselves as what?

You’re getting very cryptic…

lcakethereforeIam · 09/03/2026 14:31

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:26

Are we 'anti-Green' now too? Or are we 'anti - political parties who treat their female members and those in political roles poorly'?

I've checked the colour wheel. Red is opposite green. At least one of the Communist parties supports women, actual women, so that checks out.

Does anyone know if the Unison thug who assaulted at least one woman is going to face charges?

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:43

It must be really tough being someone who can only see the world as being so polarised that any person who disagrees with the way that a political party treats its female members must 'hate' that political party.

MassiveWordSalad · 09/03/2026 14:43

Well, it’s been brought to our attention that men working for Unison and Stand up to Racism were violent in Manchester yesterday, apparently on behalf of a Green Party MP. Hope we all had a happy International Womens’s Day, everyone!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 09/03/2026 14:47

I wonder what the plumber's thinking now?

INeedAPensieve · 09/03/2026 14:56

FranticFrankie · 09/03/2026 10:31

I missed the OP's other post which clarified the user name confusion. I did wonder because the posting styles are in sharp contrast to each other.
Almost seems like choosing such a similar name, which could easily cause confusion, is deliberate? Of all the varied options, why would you do this?
Possibly a male poster, waiting to fly to Spain? (weather not so good at the moment I gather)

Yep I basically said that, in much clearer words than you have and I've had my post deleted!!!! Oh well... 😂

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/03/2026 15:00

NewGoldFox · 09/03/2026 14:15

I watched the video of billboard Chris and it seems to be that he is the victim of violence.

The Matrix guy is not Billboard Chris.

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 15:02

INeedAPensieve · 09/03/2026 14:56

Yep I basically said that, in much clearer words than you have and I've had my post deleted!!!! Oh well... 😂

👀

INeedAPensieve · 09/03/2026 15:04

In all seriousness though, the issue is men, again, being angry and aggressive and threatening.

Nobody on this board is anti anything, just pro women and safeguarding and ensuring that men (who, as a sex class are the main perpetrators of sex crimes and violence) do not gain access to women's single sex spaces. The Green party are essentially against safe spaces for women, and do not want women to have single sex spaces (they want men, however they identify, to be able to also have access), so people were protesting this and challenging this view.

INeedAPensieve · 09/03/2026 15:06

MassiveWordSalad · 09/03/2026 14:43

Well, it’s been brought to our attention that men working for Unison and Stand up to Racism were violent in Manchester yesterday, apparently on behalf of a Green Party MP. Hope we all had a happy International Womens’s Day, everyone!

Unison are awful, generally. Just awful. I would never pay them money to represent me. Unfortunately they are the go to union at my work, so I have no union.

Catiette · 09/03/2026 15:34

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 11:14

Doesn't it just?

"pitchforks" "brand-waving clamour" "a toxic breeding ground for transphobia"

....yawwwnnn...

No attempt to deal with the true facts of the incident in Manchester

Eresh's fabulous "Why do the visiting TRAs always sound like wannabe supervillains" comment (in as many words!) was spot-on. I don't know who uses language like this besides pre-teens, immature tweens and Marvel (oh, yeah, and parody). We're moving beyond satire. I'm starting to guiltily enjoy it - it's almost always surrounded by contrastingly careful, reasoned posts (links, measured commentary etc.), and this forces readers to sit up and think, "What the heck?! This person's claims feel a bit unhinged..." And that, in turn, prompts them to look more closely at their other claims, and then at the ideology's claims... and the house of cards comes tumbling down, at the hands of the people building it. It can be infuriating at times, but at others, it's quite satisfying. The only thing that gives me pause is the sense that somewhere behind the belligerence, there may be someone who's either very young, or very vulnerable. But sometimes the nastiness is such that it's hard not to clamour, "#Letthemspeak!!!"

I mean, talk about dehumanising rhetoric:

Mumsnet posters: we need a word for the adult female half of the population [here are thousands of posts explaining why], so will call transwomen men and male at times.

TRAs: total domination, pitchforks, brands, usual suspects, toxic, breeding ground...

Hannah Spencer harassed in Manchester
PrettyDamnCosmic · 09/03/2026 16:01

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Apologies to everyone but I was thinking of another You Tuber called Billy Moore who served time in Thailand. Here is in Manchester chatting to Steve 'Edge of the Matrix' James.

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DrBlackbird · 09/03/2026 16:13

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 12:10

I would rewrite the OP thus:

Despite the fact that certain very vocal sections of the left are aggressively anti-woman and anti-free speech, I'd firmly suggest that this kind of confrontation and abuse is unacceptable in any civilised society, regardless of personal ideologies.

Perhaps the saddest irony here is that these left-wing male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman. On International Women's Day.

"I'd be curious to see how other MNetters feel about this situation" - I hope your curiosity has now been satisfied, OP

This warrants restating ^ as an op that is clear, relates to what actually happened. Phrasing it thus might have generated the gentle discussion that the op wishes us ladies to cultivate under their thoughtful tutelage.

But what I’d really like to know is who is on the list of ‘the usual suspects’? And do you have to have a pitchfork to be one? More importantly, what is ‘brand waving’ and how do brands make a noise? 🤔

pitchforks and brand-waving clamour

Datun · 09/03/2026 16:29

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:32

Sick of aggresive men on all political sides.

I agree men are the perpetrators.

Hoardasurass · 09/03/2026 16:30

DrBlackbird · 09/03/2026 16:13

This warrants restating ^ as an op that is clear, relates to what actually happened. Phrasing it thus might have generated the gentle discussion that the op wishes us ladies to cultivate under their thoughtful tutelage.

But what I’d really like to know is who is on the list of ‘the usual suspects’? And do you have to have a pitchfork to be one? More importantly, what is ‘brand waving’ and how do brands make a noise? 🤔

pitchforks and brand-waving clamour

Angry Pitchfork GIF by South Park

Guilty as charged

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 16:33

DrBlackbird · 09/03/2026 16:13

This warrants restating ^ as an op that is clear, relates to what actually happened. Phrasing it thus might have generated the gentle discussion that the op wishes us ladies to cultivate under their thoughtful tutelage.

But what I’d really like to know is who is on the list of ‘the usual suspects’? And do you have to have a pitchfork to be one? More importantly, what is ‘brand waving’ and how do brands make a noise? 🤔

pitchforks and brand-waving clamour

I don't have a pitchfork #sadtimes
I have a hoe, two rakes, two garden forks and various spades/shovels.
Will that do?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 09/03/2026 16:35

pitchforks and brand-waving clamour

Agreed what is brand waving, we need a Gif that has Suffragettes waving pitchforks. 😂

DrBlackbird · 09/03/2026 16:37

PrettyDamnCosmic · 09/03/2026 16:01

Apologies to everyone but I was thinking of another You Tuber called Billy Moore who served time in Thailand. Here is in Manchester chatting to Steve 'Edge of the Matrix' James.

The thing that jumps out from that video is just how unnecessarily aggressive men are… repeating themselves, going on away and coming back to endlessly repeat themselves. Demanding others to listen to them. Quite scary really.

DrBlackbird · 09/03/2026 16:38

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 16:33

I don't have a pitchfork #sadtimes
I have a hoe, two rakes, two garden forks and various spades/shovels.
Will that do?

Sounds like perfectly acceptable pitchfork alternatives garden style 😁

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2026 16:48

BettyBooper · 09/03/2026 11:20

OP - A man attacked a woman and it's all YOUR FAULT! You must REPENT!

Everyone else - Er no, that's not what happened. Here's the evidence...

OP - You're derailing my thread with your PITCHFORKS!

🤣🤣🤣

Meanwhile actual crime in Brighton goes without so much of a whisper of condemnation from the Green Party. Indeed it's encouraged.

I do think that since FWR are apparently responsible for all murders and violent crime in the world according to the Incels of The World, we should own up to this as our personal responsibility for All Evil and have done with it, as it would make them all feel better about living in their Mums basement.

Until the next tantrum about how life isn't fair and how mean we all are.

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2026 16:51

INeedAPensieve · 09/03/2026 15:04

In all seriousness though, the issue is men, again, being angry and aggressive and threatening.

Nobody on this board is anti anything, just pro women and safeguarding and ensuring that men (who, as a sex class are the main perpetrators of sex crimes and violence) do not gain access to women's single sex spaces. The Green party are essentially against safe spaces for women, and do not want women to have single sex spaces (they want men, however they identify, to be able to also have access), so people were protesting this and challenging this view.

Actually I'm anti-incel. Cos that's just men who hate women and I'm not keen on that.

Shedmistress · 09/03/2026 16:58

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:24

I'm GC, the incident looks apalling and frightening for Hannah Spencer. I condone this as much as I condone events when GC women are harrassed by men. No wonder women are put off going into politics.

Wha do you condone exactly? Please be precise.

FranticFrankie · 09/03/2026 17:02

The guy who punched the woman in the face should be easily recognisable yes?
Appalling behaviour from a 'security' man.
I can't get over the police officer with his arm around Hannah the Plumber, but then hurty words were being hurled at her; literal violence don't ya know?
And the tall chap nudging Matrix- what have these 'perps' all got in common?
There was a lot of pushing and shoving with f ing and blinding
Again- what have they all got in common?
Not hard is it?

WallaceinAnderland · 09/03/2026 17:06

Over on Reddit, this is what the TRAs are planning for Alice Sullivan.

Hi everyone, I am a researcher at one of the European universities. Prof. Alice Sullivan was invited to speak at one of the events. My colleagues and I are planning to do a protest during her visit.
We want to focus on three things:

  1. low quality of her academic/policy work,
  2. her problematic connections to organizations such as Sex Matters, and
  3. how she and her work have impacted trans folks in the UK.
We are already printing out her problematic tweets, mistakes in the Sullivan's Review for the UK government. Please, if you can, provide more information on other works of hers that are low-quality or problematic, why Sex Matters is hugely problematic, and, if you feel like it, your personal experience on how Sullivan/ her report/ Sex Matters/ the discourse around it has impacted your life as trans folks. We, of course, are doing our own research, but I thought this was a good place to ask, since my colleagues and I are mainly not from the UK and do not know the context well.

We plan to make her feel as unwelcome as it is possible!

FrippEnos · 09/03/2026 17:10

What an interesting twist on the truth you have put forward.

Its interesting that the trans lobby are still #nodebate and pretending the violence isn't from there side.

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