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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hannah Spencer harassed in Manchester

243 replies

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 08:42

Despite the fact that certain very vocal sections of this board are aggressively anti-trans and anti-Green, I'd gently suggest that this kind of confrontation and abuse is unacceptable in any civilised society, regardless of personal ideologies.

Link to article

Perhaps the saddest irony here is that these male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman MP. On International Women's Day.

I'd be curious to see how other MNetters feel about this situation...

Green Party say 'Hannah Spencer won't be silenced' after Manchester violence

Hannah Spencer, Gorton and Denton's newly-elected MP, was ushered into a police car amid the unfolding chaos

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/green-party-hannah-spencer-mp-33554288

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lcakethereforeIam · 09/03/2026 13:16

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 11:55

"derailed the thread, which presumably was the intention in the first place"

Setting the facts straight isn't "derailing".

Even the shitty Manchester Evening News says this:
She was questioned by a YouTuber wearing a 'Trans women are men' sandwich board, who repeatedly asked 'Are trans women women?' and 'Can a woman have a penis?'. Two men then began arguing as punches were thrown before a police officer intervened. One of the same men then became involved in a separate altercation with a woman, as several others stepped in.

That write up by the MEN is dreadful. If all I'd read was that I'd be none the wiser as to who had attacked who. The impression is it was the Greens who were the victims not the aggressors. The truth, something the MEN apparently couldn't bring themselves to report (although to be fair they only lied by omission), is completely opposite. No wonder the OP was fooled.

Iirc, there isn't a bedroom in Cluedo.

Brefugee · 09/03/2026 13:18

gosh - i thought Jezabel had been resurrected. Obvs not. ha

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/03/2026 13:21

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 09/03/2026 12:07

Oh dear, I think there are some very crossed wires at your end.

You literally said this in your OP:
male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman MP.

So then I asked you for the evidence that it was the men with the WR placards attacking her but now you are denying that you even said that? So I’m guessing you know that but wasn’t Billboard Chris and his colleague committing the violence even though that was your implication?

There is also video footage of part of the incident, where the police are having to protect Hannah whilst they escort her to her car. The behaviour of those around her is, frankly, despicable.

Your implication that the violence was committed by Billboard Chris etc was clear because no one could ever accuse the Green/Islamic men of protecting women’s rights 🤣

If you’ve got an issue with the violence from the Green/Islamic men, go tell them about it. I’m not sure why you’ve come here to berate women?

Btw, this board is about discussing women’s rights. If you deem that to be ‘anti trans’ then that highlights the serious incompatibility of women’s rights and trans ideology. Doesn’t it.

Surely Billboard Chris was not involved with violence? ( Was he even there?) He's the most clam, zen like person around.

Isn't the Matrix guy a Chris impersonator?

PrettyDamnCosmic · 09/03/2026 13:22

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Now I'm not so sure I have the right guy as I cannot find his book on Amazon. However I do know that his name is Steve James & he is assisted by his wife Sue. Steve is a former Royal Navy Commando & firefighter.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 13:23

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/03/2026 13:21

Surely Billboard Chris was not involved with violence? ( Was he even there?) He's the most clam, zen like person around.

Isn't the Matrix guy a Chris impersonator?

Edited

It was 'edgeofmatrix' not Chris Elston. Edge is fairly calm too. People often he is jostled or people try to steal his hat or equipment.

He has adopted Chris' billboard and his style.

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:24

I'm GC, the incident looks apalling and frightening for Hannah Spencer. I condone this as much as I condone events when GC women are harrassed by men. No wonder women are put off going into politics.

KitWyn · 09/03/2026 13:24

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 11:05

"No idea tbh but why are they always so aggressive?"

You admit to having no idea about a marginalised group, but still condemn make statements that they want total domination?

I can't imagine any other situation in life where people have no idea about a group of people but are still aggressively opposed to them...

This 'most marginalised' group includes a large number of middle-aged, middle-income, white straight men, often married to biological women with children they biologically fathered.

Yet these adult males, by taking their cross-dressing habit to be 24-hours and out in public, somehow, magically, become part of the 'most marginalised'.

There is no credible evidence that a man with a female gender identity is, on a per capita basis, any less of a risk than other men. What (imperfect) evidence and research available suggests it stays the same.

Pudmyboy · 09/03/2026 13:25

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 09:07

Have you considered discussing the message, rather than unthinkingly attack the messenger? I think it might help promote a healthier discussion.

oh the irony!

Datun · 09/03/2026 13:25

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:24

I'm GC, the incident looks apalling and frightening for Hannah Spencer. I condone this as much as I condone events when GC women are harrassed by men. No wonder women are put off going into politics.

Well, it was her own security that punched a woman.

spannasaurus · 09/03/2026 13:26

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:24

I'm GC, the incident looks apalling and frightening for Hannah Spencer. I condone this as much as I condone events when GC women are harrassed by men. No wonder women are put off going into politics.

It was Hannah Spencers supporters that were violent.

BerryTwister · 09/03/2026 13:31

I wonder what the Green Party spokesman would say if those “angry men” decided to self ID as women tomorrow. Presumably, given that they would then be women, Hannah Spencer needn’t have been so afraid.

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:32

Datun · 09/03/2026 13:25

Well, it was her own security that punched a woman.

Sick of aggresive men on all political sides.

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:33

spannasaurus · 09/03/2026 13:26

It was Hannah Spencers supporters that were violent.

I see aggression on all sides.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/03/2026 13:35

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 09:07

Have you considered discussing the message, rather than unthinkingly attack the messenger? I think it might help promote a healthier discussion.

The Billboard guy is just asking questions in th typical manner of a pushy journalist. From what i've seen of him, and Billboard Chris who obviously inspires him ( and who is the calmest person you can imagine) he's the one that is often subjected to violence and people grabbing and smashing his equipment.

Women ( and some men) who stand up for women's protections and against childhood transition have always been the ones whose meetings are attcked; who are physically assaulted and threatend with violence - not the other way around.

midgetastic · 09/03/2026 13:38

The message is that you risk being punched if you challenged mildly their position

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/03/2026 13:40

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:32

Sick of aggresive men on all political sides.

Most of us are not on any "political side" - if by that you mean Left/Right. We're simply on the side of protecting women and children from trans ideology

Violent right wing thugs have nothing to do with us. It wasn't violent right wing thugs that were invoved here, anyway. It was violent Left wing/progressive thugs, of which there are plenty.

Repeating a question at a public gathering is not violence; although it seems repeating such questions certainly seems to drive quite a few to violence themselves.

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 13:41

This is Edge of the Matrix in Brighton, challenging TRAs who are of course all masked up. It's long but it illustrates so many things extremely well.

spannasaurus · 09/03/2026 13:42

Violetparis · 09/03/2026 13:33

I see aggression on all sides.

In general or this incident specifically?

Hoppinggreen · 09/03/2026 13:44

So to get this straight
Women on here who support womens rights are responsible for aggressive men harrassing a woman in Manchester?
I have a "gentle suggestion" for you but I would prefer not to get my knuckles rapped by MNHQ so I will leave it to you imagination OP

DialSquare · 09/03/2026 13:49

KittyWilkinson · 09/03/2026 12:23

Thanks for clearing that up. Interesting choice of user name in the light of that.
#Sad Times vibes.

And choice of room.

Toseland · 09/03/2026 14:05

The Edge of the Matrix guy is called Steve. Interesting YouTube channel. He was asking questions of Hannah and was pushed and attacked by quite a few people if you watch his video.

fromorbit · 09/03/2026 14:13

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 08:42

Despite the fact that certain very vocal sections of this board are aggressively anti-trans and anti-Green, I'd gently suggest that this kind of confrontation and abuse is unacceptable in any civilised society, regardless of personal ideologies.

Link to article

Perhaps the saddest irony here is that these male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman MP. On International Women's Day.

I'd be curious to see how other MNetters feel about this situation...

Actually I posted about this event on the Green party thread yesterday at 6.15. This is what I said.

Meanwhile what look to be a bunch of right wing male twats were harassing Hannah Spencer in Manchester and scuffling with police. Politics UK calls them "anti-trans protestors" so there is a chance they can be confused with women saying they exist.

Men shouldn't harass women for saying things. Muslim men, left wing men, right wing men this is their joint agenda.

Fairly balanced I think. Following the general mumsnet line which is when men get involved the possibility of violence increases based on everyday life and knowledge of male criminality and years of seeing TA men threaten and harassing women protesters.

On looking over the footage today and seeing other posts I saw as many others did that one of the key culprits was Hadi so I posted this.

It seems that one of the men with Hannah Spencer was Unison Equality Officer and Stand up to Racism activist Ameen Hadi who during the scuffle punched a woman in the face.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?page=21

Male violence is the problem as usual.

Yes we are going to call out the Greens when they are wrong. With Mothin Ali condoning violence one minute and claiming to be against it the next. ZP saying we can talk to Putin, but we need to cut off any relations with Trump. Kicking people out of the party for saying biology is a thing.

ZP has said multiple times he sees Trump and Farage as a model. So we get yet another mouthy bloke who thinks he knows everything spouting nonsense and appealing to populist rhetoric.

If you look on Mumsnet there are some rightwing posters, some left wingers, some despairing both sides - but the one common thing that always comes up is we can see through the rubbish people spin and the way people won't let women say things.

Let Hannah speak. Let Kemi Speak. Let Shabana Mamoud speak.

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Zack Polanski is making things bigger again. We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is ge...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?page=21

NewGoldFox · 09/03/2026 14:15

I watched the video of billboard Chris and it seems to be that he is the victim of violence.

ActoBelle · 09/03/2026 14:16

Not read the whole thread but this was being discussed on the Manchester Reddit and general concensus is the main individual and side kicks are out to cause trouble. That they don’t particularly care about whatever their current cause is. They have form for similar but on different topics. They want the aggro and attention and clicks on their social media channels. Think they are Charlie Veitch wannabes

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:26

Are we 'anti-Green' now too? Or are we 'anti - political parties who treat their female members and those in political roles poorly'?