Men who affirm TW

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This is something I've wondered for a while and a post from a woman on FB asking/stating the same thing prompted me to ask everyone's opinions on this.

I have noticed a large proportion of Trans Idealogues on both FB and Reddit go absolutely berserk when someone points out that TW are not, in fact women, but oddly, a large proportion of them are men.

Now I completely understand the women that have bought into this notion as women generally speaking tend to be more empathetic for their fellow human so are more likely to go along with 'be kind'. But what about the swathes of seemingly normal, gender conforming men that support it? I don't know a single man other than one in real life (who's daughter is apparently now a 'she') that support the idea that TW are women. What is their motive for this?

I think for some men, they reject TW as belonging to the same group as them so the only alternative is that TW must be women.

Many men are extremely sexist and believe that men are people who are "masculine" and women (or non-men) are people who are "feminine", so they lap up an ideology that doesn't challenge this.

Also, it gives them an excuse to threaten violence to women who disagree.

Men are scared of gender none conformity

My sample of one says that the transwoman at work would "make him feel really odd" if they shared a loo or otherwise had to think of him/her as a man, because you'd "never know she wasn't a woman".

Except, as I pointed out, he does know, doesn't he?

They don't really think that TW are W as very few of the men who trot out the claim that TWAW are actually prepared to date or have sex with a TW.

Wasn’t there a famous one on Twitter who said that ‘TWAW but not for dating purposes because I like very feminine women’

Most men are not interested in this topic unless they, or someone they know, are LGBTQ+ or they are some type of university activist.

I think normal men just don’t want to think about them at all and get a bit of an ick (the guys who gave mentioned it to me anyway). The LGBTQ army like the opportunity to bully women and feel righteous about it.

Is my very simplistic take from casual life observations.

I think the clue is ‘seemingly normal’.

I think, underneath all control
and civilisation, men are only just held in from all sorts of fascinations and fantasies.

Maybe tgey think it could be them, or maybe they are attracted in some instances.

I've come to the conclusion that they're a bit thick, haven't considered all the issues the trans ideology raises and are predominantly left leaning types who subscribe to virtue signaling.

I've wasted my time with both men and women on social media this week (no idea what possessed me to bother tbh) on the issue of gender affirming 'care' and puberty blockers and have been patronised and shut down, called a dumbo when challenging 'data' and told I shouldn't have an opinion on the basis I don't claim to know any trans people.

It's misogyny - from both sexes - dressed up as superior thinking, open mindedness and kindness.

So glad you mentioned this. I didn't want to open my thread with this but I do wonder how many of these men watch TS porn, have or want to sleep with a TW but they can't bare the shame of a gay act so frame it in their heads that TW are indeed women so they're still straight.

He was a Labour councillor or some sort of local Labour official. I’ve forgotten his surname but he just said TW are women “but not for relationship purposes”. His name was Robin so he was christened “Relationship Purposes Robin”.

For most I think its just the expected stance of 'people like them'.
They are often advocates of social justice, anti discrimination of minority groups and allies of the marginalised. So of course they support this new 'most marginalised' group.
Because they're men, they're not faced with the personal disadvantage and loss of rights supporting this group entails. So they don't do the hard thinking that leads to the conclusion that on this issue, they're out of step with those they agree with on most everything else.

Because they're men, they're not faced with the personal disadvantage and loss of rights supporting this group entails.

I disagree. I don't think it it sex but class that insulates them. That is why all these social justice warriors come from middle-class to upper middle class backgrounds. They have the time and money to fight for these causes

Also this. Don’t underestimate the attraction for so called “progressive” men of having a group of women you can verbally abuse and threaten with impunity when you’re supposed to be respectful of women in theory. It gives many of these men a sexual thrill.

Obviously there are many clueless mansplainers and bekind men who don’t realise their own sexism. I’m referring to the really nasty piece of work misogynistic leftist (mostly, but some are right leaning) TRA ally men of which there are plenty.

Yeah, professionally, I'm surrounded by gender-conforming men with pronouns in their e-mail signatures who are quite happy to affirm other men as having the right to infiltrate women's spaces and services on a whim. Fucks me right off. They're all delighted with themselves for their "open-mindedness". Ha ha ha.

I think a lot of men recognise porn addition and think there for the grace of god.

Also, if we tolerate this, other men can get away with a lot less?

It's because it's a nice easy cost-free (to them) point scorer, I suppose.

It doesn't encoach on any societal or psychological space for them. If gender medicine gave transmen the ability to compete effectively against men in sports we would hear a lot more protest.

A combination of thinking TW are weird/gross/disgusting and so on and therefore not wanting to be in the same group as them, the group meeting being male. (Just to clarify that isn't my opinion, but I know men who think it)

And some men just see women as a series of holes they can fuck. As a lot of men mistakenly believe that all TW have had surgery, they now have a hole not a cock. Ergo they are women. My brother one said to me "well of they've had thru dick chopped off and have a fanny now, of course they are women!" When I asked if he would sleep with one he said "no I'm married", refused to say yes or no as a hypothetical "if you were single" situation, and conveniently forgot that he usually has no issue making misogynistic comments about women. Yes my brother is a vile creature. I keep contact to a minimum.

Woke Bros.

I'm willing to bet that none of said men would shag one though 😉

No, its definitely sex that insulates them when it comes to this issue. Where TIM goes to the toilet or which changing room he uses has no more impact on the life of a WC man than it does a MC man.