Men who affirm TW

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This is something I've wondered for a while and a post from a woman on FB asking/stating the same thing prompted me to ask everyone's opinions on this.

I have noticed a large proportion of Trans Idealogues on both FB and Reddit go absolutely berserk when someone points out that TW are not, in fact women, but oddly, a large proportion of them are men.

Now I completely understand the women that have bought into this notion as women generally speaking tend to be more empathetic for their fellow human so are more likely to go along with 'be kind'. But what about the swathes of seemingly normal, gender conforming men that support it? I don't know a single man other than one in real life (who's daughter is apparently now a 'she') that support the idea that TW are women. What is their motive for this?

@Pingponghavoc yep I agree. It’s out of the Scottish Prisons tactic playbook as well as the mass scale impact of cognitive dissonance…saying she/her to be polite/kind but when applied to a criminal and having to refer to a woman being sent to a male prison it fucks with your head.

Ah, Della Aleksander (the first speaker in the big gilt collar, founder of GRAIL, Gender Research Association International Liaison).

Accurately described by Searchlight in 1995 as, "one of post-war Britain's best-known Moseleyites", a keen supporter of apartheid while living in S Africa pre-transition, he later palled around with David Duke when that creep was in Europe. DA was a down-the-line ethno-nationalist, a member of the League of St George & thought he could contact Hitler via séances.

A wingnutof the first water & a schoolteacher in Leeds. FGS.

Edited for dyslexia, some may remain

Clucking bell, I've just read the letter about 'Gennys' posted in the comments below that charming video. Absolutely chilling, but the be kinders think we should have sympathy for these 'poor most vulnerable' oppressed one. 🙄

I think the long term strategy is to convince both too down and bottom up.

On one hand we have the likes of Morton (referred to by Beev2) disclosing that if policymakers were convinced that some male people should be in female prisons then the rest will fall into place. Then you have the likes of Went (Katy? I cannot remember) who appears ‘reasonable’ and is friends with some of the UK’s most respected feminists who uses this reasonable position to gain any access to female single sex provisions they can while the top down action is still working its way through.

It worked for a time with the Olympics with Arne Ljungqvist where he got the policy changed for male people with DSDs to compete as female athletes, and then quickly convinced the committee to allow male people with certain criteria met.

I think it means they don’t have to make decisions out loud or come down on one side of the fence.

After all, if TIM are kept busy invading womens spaces, other men don’t have to decide what their response is to TIM in mens spaces.

Surely if they didn't want to make any decisions regarding this debate they would opt out of it though? I know loads of men who have no interest in the whole thing whatsoever but am pretty much 100% sure if asked if TWAW, they'd laughter at me and say of course not.

It just doesn't make sense. These men are absolutely willing to die on the TWAW hill, some, including my friends brother who I mentioned earlier was one of the most intellectual men I has ever come across and he absolutely is not budging on his stance.

I honestly believe, as stated earlier that lots of these men have a personal vested interest in the idea that TWAW, I really do think many of them are attracted to them so have to convince themselves it's 'women' they want to shag. I'm sorry bit for the most part, most men are incredibly selfish creatures. Any leftie man I've ever met who claimed to be a feminist, in one way or another used their apparent political stance/virtue signaling to gain sexual access to women in their friendship group.

I think men will fight when their territory/possessions are threatened (see Tommy Robinson marches) but I just don't think most men woukd waste the amount of time they do arguing over the internet that TWAW unless it benefitted them in some way. And I think that way is either, as stated by pp's, using feminism as a stick to beat women with, or because they want a piece of TW but cannot make peace with the fact that would make them gay so state they are women.

One only has to look at statistics in regards to most popular searched porn and Trans porn is up there. Who do you think are viewing these videos? I think it's these men.

The urge to transition very often comes bundled with humilation fetishes - "forced to femme", "sissyfication", etc. The ultimate humiliation, the apex of degradation for a man is to be seen as a woman. Don't underestimate the prevalence of the "normal" male view that for a man to present as if he were a woman, he is necessarily abasing himself.

Once a man has thus abased himself in their eyes, he is not longer fit for male spaces, by unmanning himself he becomes an embarassment, if not an affront, to "normal" men. Consequently, those whose self-conception is of "progressivism" have to over-compensate to hide their unease with such men &, because their "progressivism" is vastly regressive, they have never troubled themselves to really consider women beyond perhaps the cheery "progressive" belief that prostitution jolly well ought to be legal.

They may feel pity for these self-abased men, they may feel namelessly uncomfortable with them in male spaces, in either case an unmanned man (even if only sartorially) has abandoned "normal" manhood & is therefore understood to be our problem to deal with, if only because it is our "normal" role to be nurturing, caring, the people who have to deal with everyone else's shit.

I get what you're saying and believe the scenario you put forward to be entirely possible in some cases (because nothing surprises me any more with men) but I've argued back amd forth with a fair few trans activists and they genuinely seem to believe we are the Devil incarnate for not seeing TWAW and as such, not wishing to share our spaces with them. They really, REALLY want us to see them the way they see them and will obviously give every Trans argument under the sun a good go, from the idea that sex and gender are completely different and men that have a female gender are women, to the Clownfish argument, to the belief that lobbing off penises makes them women, you name it they've got a (pathetic) argument for it. Either way, they will fight tooth and nail to defend their beliefs and it just really perplexes me. No man in their right mind would believe they're women just because they take hormones or chop off body parts, but they seem to.

We only exist in relation to them, so a man who rejects manhood is cast into the unmen - us.

Went is a strong proponent of the "but my female friend(s) insisted that I accompany them into the changing rooms/toilets. I had their permission, so why are you making a problem out of this?".

Went used to say he would be happy to use third spaces but has since become less accommodating in his public statements. Which is what happens with all the 'reasonable' TW in public life - they all want to seem accommodating of women's requests to remove males from claiming to be women, but only as long as they're allowed a carve out for themselves to keep entering women's spaces and claiming to be a sort of woman..

The definition of women always just includes them.

Its the idea that genuine trans are the real victims. If the bad lads didnt pretend to be women, the Wents of the world could without any issues. Even when they pretend to see women point of view, they are the ones who suffer the most.

That line doesn't work here anymore, but lots of men do believe it.