Clinics forced to share data on children who took PBs .. at last

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At last …. that this data was withheld should be considered scandalous

https://www.thetimes.com/article/7cd05ecd-277f-4d2e-882a-fbef5fafc6f1?shareToken=65fbc37a71974e792854156d8dae5941

Mostly, if at all, only in the shorter term.....before dysphoria or other types of distress shift focus and re-assert themselves; and only as long as other people reinforce the self perception.

People always remain the sex they are - so in that regard nobody is 'trans' other than in the way/manner/style they choose to present.

OnepostWanda, are you borg?

Sex realists seem to believe there's some heavy lifting requirement for everyone to reinforce a self perception.

Gender is perception. No one has control over how others perceive them.

We are happy

Prove it.

children going through precocious puberty like I did and my daughter did are denied medical treatment as doctors are now too scared to prescribe puberty delaying treatment

Not true. CPP treatment is not affected.

Agreed. It's disgusting. And just weird, that lack of curiosity or interest in science. Why wouldn't you want to know? How do you know what works and what doesn't if you don't look? It's a pretty fundamental aspect, and they just seem to ignore it.

Massive disservice to the kids. Regardless of what you think about the process, the lack of data collection and the desire to learn is appalling.

@onepostwonder what is a sex realist?

Please could you describe what the term actually means so that I can work out if I am one or not?

Thank you.

I'm not going to get involved in you trying to dominate yet another thread with countless posts.
Simply to say that responsible adults are always concerned when children below the age of consent are groomed and gaslit into believing that a sex change will cure their pubertal angst.
There should be no place for trans extremists influencing child health care. Cass has recognised that and despite the issues about the trials, society has finally understood what's been done to vulnerable children and it's finally coming to an end.

Agreed. The medics i know feel this too.

So much information. So many possible grants. And nobody collected the data or did the studies. Not normal process at all.

As a trans child who was studied and presumably statistically represented in the 70s and 80s studies, I'll waste my time to inform you that trans children are not groomed or gaslit.

No person outside of the medical relationship should influence a child's health care.

Cass was a single report. Several others have different conclusions.

"Gender critical" is too mushy. If I google "sex realist" I can understand what I read here.

You say “sex realist” as though that’s a bad thing🤣

And a child of the 70s and 80s wasn’t puberty blocked. So completely irrelevant then.

The presence of puberty blockers doesn't change the status or condition of trans children.

Would you like to read the title of the thread?

We are thread realists too. HTH.

Edit: Duplicated

It should be a pre-requisite to acknowledge that biological sex will never change before any individual has access to so-called gender affirming care. It should also be a pre-requisite to acknowledge that an individual’s decision to choose GAC does not impose any obligations on others.

Agreed - the lack of data collection / analysis is unforgivable.
What is notable is the number of self invested adults - mainly men but some women - who try (often successfully) to influence what happens to vulnerable children. Their negative impact on somewhere like GIDs has been detailed (see Hannah Barnes, Time to Think). The worry is the NHS is politically very weak in terms of identifying this and protecting children and it's a worry that the new centres in Children's hospitals may be as easily influenced.

I actually agree with you that "gender critical" is a bit of a meh term. I never use it to describe myself.

I googled "what is a sex realist?" so I assume you and I both got something similar as a result. This was it:

Someone who asserts that human beings are fundamentally divided into two distinct, biological, and immutable sexes—male and female

Are you saying there are more than two sexes? Or that it's possible for human beings to actually change sex, like a clownfish can?

I think if those who transition live happy healthy lives afterwards, it would be very helpful for the clinics to release the data which shows this. The concerns expressed here about bone health, incontinence and infertility are real concerns. If they are needless ones, the data release would help and if there are harms being caused surely you would prefer people to be aware of this to prevent further harm?

But Cass was a review of all of the available, scientifically robust evidence. It's not like Cass says X but someone else says Y. Cass systematically reviewed all the data and drew conclusions based on that.

My belief is human beings can and do andromorphically and gynomorphically affect our physiology. The changes are largely dependent on the age when medical treatment begins. 'Beautifying' plastic surgery and 'looksmaxxing' guys prove this can also occur in alignment within the birth sex of the individual.

These biological changes can (but not always) calm intense personal discomfort with one's sex and also (sometimes, but not always) facilitate participation in life with a bimodal sex-based form that can be agreeable. Some people desire to not have a sex-based form that sits too far in either direction.

Humans aren't clownfish. Trans people have existed in whatever cultural form they were allowed for thousands of years. People have been welcomed or shunned in society as not-male and not-female, or as-male and as-female, or many ways inbetween.

Body modification was sometimes a part of that existence. In the early 1900s, trans medicine began to more scientifically address trans health and wellbeing. Not all experiences were helpful or positive. Trans medicine has improved in the more than forty years since I've transitioned. Medicine will continue to improve.

All of what I have just said is either impossible at best or harmful at worst under sex realism.

None of that waffle proves that children benefit from being puberty blocked.

your statement doesn't provide your qualifications for having an opinion on the medical care received by someone who is not you.

The function of medicine is to heal injured and sick bodies not to take health bodies and destroy them with puberty suppressing drugs, cross sex hormones and mutilating surgeries.
What you are advocating is the antithesis of medicine. Remember the hipocatic oath first do no harm

So a person can only be an expert in treatment they have received? 🤣 That means you can have no opinion on the relevance of puberty blockers then, doesn’t it?

It’s the basics of science research. If a medical intervention works, then research will demonstrate that. If you’re so confident that puberty blockers work for kids, surely you’d support releasing the data that will demonstrate that in glowing terms?