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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
WarriorN · 28/02/2026 08:21

The data linkage data is so crucial.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 28/02/2026 09:00

heathspeedwell · 27/02/2026 09:59

I thought this bit was really interesting:

"Dr Alice Hodkinson, the co-founder of Biology in Medicine, said: “The data linkage study should be undertaken before any consideration of a puberty blocker study in children.”
She added: “There is already a wealth of information available to be reviewed, and it would be crucial to know whether these young people are content, if they have a stable family environment and if they are successfully in education or work, when compared with their peers.
“We hope that this study will in addition inform us of the outcomes of adult transition. Young adults are also at risk of going through life altering cross sex interventions that they may come to regret. Recent figures in the Levy report show that it is overwhelmingly the 17 to 19 age group who are referred to the adult gender clinics, which raises the concern that this is not a persisting identity."

I haven't seen the Levy report discussed on here, does anyone have any more information? I'll do some digging.

There is already a wealth of information available to be reviewed
and
it is overwhelmingly the 17 to 19 age group who are referred to the adult gender clinics, which raises the concern that this is not a persisting identity

These are crucial points. There is plenty of evidence already available from the children who have been used (abused, in my opinion) as guinea pigs in this appalling experiment.

No more children should be put through this.

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/02/2026 09:13

onepostwonder · 27/02/2026 19:55

Sex realists seem to believe there's some heavy lifting requirement for everyone to reinforce a self perception.

Gender is perception. No one has control over how others perceive them.

Exactly...and self perception is not the same thing as meaningful shared reality.

'Gender' is the term some people are using for personality expression or sexually driven preferences. It has no bearing on the reality of one's sex, and as you suggest people can recognise a person's sex even when they are preseenting their 'gender' self perception.

fabricstash · 28/02/2026 11:00

i hope they link to other areas not just the clinics. I knew someone who worked for a charity supporting those suffering from incontinence. Historically it used to be dominated by mothers with post birth issues. He said back in 2001 it was now being dominated by those who had undergone « gender affirming care ». The whole thing is a medical scandal

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 28/02/2026 11:13

fabricstash · 28/02/2026 11:00

i hope they link to other areas not just the clinics. I knew someone who worked for a charity supporting those suffering from incontinence. Historically it used to be dominated by mothers with post birth issues. He said back in 2001 it was now being dominated by those who had undergone « gender affirming care ». The whole thing is a medical scandal

Edited

@VenusEnvyXX are you aware of this trend? xx

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:18

fabricstash · 28/02/2026 11:00

i hope they link to other areas not just the clinics. I knew someone who worked for a charity supporting those suffering from incontinence. Historically it used to be dominated by mothers with post birth issues. He said back in 2001 it was now being dominated by those who had undergone « gender affirming care ». The whole thing is a medical scandal

Edited

That sounds like a FOI request waiting to happen.

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:23

Seriously. There's got to be more than one way to find out some of this data.

If you asked for % of people at incontinence clinic by cause of issue you might get somewhere. There no protection around GRC on this. And ask for change over time.

Taking it from a different angle might produce some data that asked bigger questions. After all one concern her has to be just how much this is costing the NHS and whether its a good use of resources. We just need to think about where to look.

There are plenty of medical issues the NHS won't fund because of cost effectiveness.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/02/2026 11:37

Elaine Miller's written a lot about this hasn't she? Article in the Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/26/trans-problems-urinary-bowel-incontinent-young-detransition/

Archive link : https://archive.ph/qFwT9

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:41

“The impact a bit of leaking has on these young people’s lives is huge. It really needs to be properly discussed within gender clinics because I would expect that almost 100 per cent of female people that take cross-sex hormones will end up with these problems,” she added, noting that the study was “robust” and probably underplayed the issue.
“It’s really sad when we hear people say, ‘nobody ever told me this’, and they should have been informed of the risks in gender clinics.”

Wow.

And the majority who take blockers go onto hormones.

These are women in their 20s.

BonfireLady · 28/02/2026 12:27

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:41

“The impact a bit of leaking has on these young people’s lives is huge. It really needs to be properly discussed within gender clinics because I would expect that almost 100 per cent of female people that take cross-sex hormones will end up with these problems,” she added, noting that the study was “robust” and probably underplayed the issue.
“It’s really sad when we hear people say, ‘nobody ever told me this’, and they should have been informed of the risks in gender clinics.”

Wow.

And the majority who take blockers go onto hormones.

These are women in their 20s.

I'm aware of two adolescent girls (under 16) within my daughter's social sphere who are planning to take testosterone when they can.

One is at school, the other at an external girls-only sports club.

The school one is a female child who is autistic and joined the school a while ago (from a different school), having already started using he/him pronouns. Everyone is coercively encouraged to use these preferred pronouns because it's apparently the best way to be kind and respectful. The school is not interested in how this child - or any others who have socially transitioned there - is at risk. Apparently the parents are on board so all is fine. Yes, I've tried respectfully suggesting that the parents may well be acting on misinformation etc etc. Thankfully, my daughter told me about the conversation, held out loud with other students present, and was as concerned as I was about the child not fully understanding the impact of taking testosterone. The child is in year 10, so hopefully a year away from being old enough to take it - and hopefully this scandal will have had more exposure by then. Unfortunately, the school has zero interest in looking at this as a safeguarding issue (instead, they are managing me as an issue for asking them to follow the existing KCSIE guidance 🤦‍♀️) so all I can do is sit back and watch the shitshow unfold 😢

TBH, I'm more emotionally impacted by the girl in the sports club. This girl has been there since the age of about 10. I've watched the whole thing slowly unfolding and have avoided using pronouns (it's a weird open secret in the team that he/him pronouns are used) for a while. About 3 years ago, both this girl and my daughter were gender questioning at the same time. I was in research mode and was uncovering all sorts of info about the risks of social transition. At the time, the interim Cass Report (released in 2022) was available and I had started informing myself on the wider subject on MN. I asked the parents if they wanted me to share what I had found so far. They didn't, so I left it.

My daughter currently has no idea that her teammate might not be on the team next season. On a positive note, the child and parents obviously recognise that it would be inappropriate for a female taking testosterone to play on a girls' sports team, hence planning to pull out of the team. But I'm wrestling with my own conscience on what I do/say. Currently, I'm thinking that I'll wait to hear it "officially". At the moment, it's just a rumour passed from an adult who is with the club (who probably shouldn't really be discussing that kind of info with other parents... but who is baffled by it all, and sad at the potential of losing this talented player) so I'm not in a position to say anything. I need to wait for the info to be more widely known e.g. for the child to tell the other players. When I know about it via this route, I will probably share the Telegraph article (that Mrs O linked) with the parents. The night I heard about this being likely to happen, I cried. What a fucking mess this is. Children are being harmed for life and we're all getting a front row seat while it happens.

fabricstash · 28/02/2026 12:52

I’ll see what I can do. I knew where the charity used to be based in bristol. Foi good idea

WarriorN · 28/02/2026 12:56

Well if it’s Bristol I imagine that data will be very interesting

BonfireLady · 28/02/2026 13:09

fabricstash · 28/02/2026 12:52

I’ll see what I can do. I knew where the charity used to be based in bristol. Foi good idea

Charities aren't covered by FOIs unfortunately.

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 13:15

BonfireLady · 28/02/2026 13:09

Charities aren't covered by FOIs unfortunately.

No but those same women won't be just going to the charity though will they?

DrTemporary · 28/02/2026 14:20

I really don't think a data-linkage study will happen.

Not due to lack of will or cover-up but because of the logistics. Trans patient pathways are complex as hell (as two separate GP-led audits from England showed) and involve NHS number change, sex marker change and the use of multiple clinics.

What is the data linkage trying to find? Which kids have PBs, then x-sex hormones and then what happened to them? What about the kids that never engaged with adult NHS gender clinics? Who went private (for all care, or some of it)? Who desisted or detransitioned and have never presented for this?

Gender clinics do not collect outcome data (I am not convinced they collect ANY data) - they have nothing to do with patients once they are discharged to GP so if they detransition, desist or die, this will not be known to gender clinics (unless they specifically go back for further care, which is frankly extremely rare). Even patients that detransition may not be obvious to GPs - they just stop taking the drugs. Some may revert sex marker, some not. These are generally young people with distrust of the system - they don't present much.

Any study will have to involve GP data. Which is decentralised and with no consistent coding. The whole project is of such mind-boggling complexity that I cannot see how it will happen without real manpower and/or time.

I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/02/2026 14:45

DrTemporary · 28/02/2026 14:20

I really don't think a data-linkage study will happen.

Not due to lack of will or cover-up but because of the logistics. Trans patient pathways are complex as hell (as two separate GP-led audits from England showed) and involve NHS number change, sex marker change and the use of multiple clinics.

What is the data linkage trying to find? Which kids have PBs, then x-sex hormones and then what happened to them? What about the kids that never engaged with adult NHS gender clinics? Who went private (for all care, or some of it)? Who desisted or detransitioned and have never presented for this?

Gender clinics do not collect outcome data (I am not convinced they collect ANY data) - they have nothing to do with patients once they are discharged to GP so if they detransition, desist or die, this will not be known to gender clinics (unless they specifically go back for further care, which is frankly extremely rare). Even patients that detransition may not be obvious to GPs - they just stop taking the drugs. Some may revert sex marker, some not. These are generally young people with distrust of the system - they don't present much.

Any study will have to involve GP data. Which is decentralised and with no consistent coding. The whole project is of such mind-boggling complexity that I cannot see how it will happen without real manpower and/or time.

I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

Suspect you might be right. In addition to all the challenges you list, we know that from the outset transactivists inside and outside the NHS went to extreme lengths to stop all scrutiny, research and challenge into the medical treatment of children. Initially research was framed as transphobic and banned. Social contagion / ROGD dismissed as transphobic with studies banned. Data dismissed ... etc

Even on Mumsnet this week there are transactivists claiming that nobody may comment on this medical experimentation on children. Imagine if we took that view of all the maternity care scandals, the infected blood scandal, the Alder Hey organ scandal, Shipman etc?

It's why this scandal has got to such extreme lengths and why society needs to stop pandering to these people's dangerous demands.

onepostwonder · 28/02/2026 18:26

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/02/2026 09:13

Exactly...and self perception is not the same thing as meaningful shared reality.

'Gender' is the term some people are using for personality expression or sexually driven preferences. It has no bearing on the reality of one's sex, and as you suggest people can recognise a person's sex even when they are preseenting their 'gender' self perception.

Edited

Not to recreate or change definitions that are freely available on the Internet, but I believe gender is the word people use to describe the systems that are built on the perception of sex. Not only self-perception, which is identity-based but how sex recognition is experienced and shared between people and groups and reinforced by culture.

onepostwonder · 28/02/2026 18:27

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:18

That sounds like a FOI request waiting to happen.

It sounds like studies and research should have been published far and wide on this issue, rather than restricted to whispers on sex realist threads.

onepostwonder · 28/02/2026 18:32

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:41

“The impact a bit of leaking has on these young people’s lives is huge. It really needs to be properly discussed within gender clinics because I would expect that almost 100 per cent of female people that take cross-sex hormones will end up with these problems,” she added, noting that the study was “robust” and probably underplayed the issue.
“It’s really sad when we hear people say, ‘nobody ever told me this’, and they should have been informed of the risks in gender clinics.”

Wow.

And the majority who take blockers go onto hormones.

These are women in their 20s.

Most of the trans men I've met tend to use topical estrogen creme to counteract thinning and changing of tissues due to testosterone use, if they haven't had bottom surgery.

Greyskybluesky · 28/02/2026 18:41

I have Queen's "Another one bites the dust" running through my head at this point

BonfireLady · 28/02/2026 18:52

onepostwonder · 28/02/2026 18:32

Most of the trans men I've met tend to use topical estrogen creme to counteract thinning and changing of tissues due to testosterone use, if they haven't had bottom surgery.

Hopefully that works for them. It seems strange that this isn't common knowledge though, if this helps with incontinence. Or is it just to help with atrophy and dryness, with the inconvenience still remaining?

Do you know how they counter the increased risk of heart attack and cancer of the uterus that comes with taking testosterone too?

lcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2026 19:11

Greyskybluesky · 28/02/2026 18:41

I have Queen's "Another one bites the dust" running through my head at this point

Who was Steve?

BonfireLady · 28/02/2026 22:39

BonfireLady · 28/02/2026 18:52

Hopefully that works for them. It seems strange that this isn't common knowledge though, if this helps with incontinence. Or is it just to help with atrophy and dryness, with the inconvenience still remaining?

Do you know how they counter the increased risk of heart attack and cancer of the uterus that comes with taking testosterone too?

*incontinence

(Although TBF, this would also be inconvenient)

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 28/02/2026 22:52

DrTemporary · 28/02/2026 14:20

I really don't think a data-linkage study will happen.

Not due to lack of will or cover-up but because of the logistics. Trans patient pathways are complex as hell (as two separate GP-led audits from England showed) and involve NHS number change, sex marker change and the use of multiple clinics.

What is the data linkage trying to find? Which kids have PBs, then x-sex hormones and then what happened to them? What about the kids that never engaged with adult NHS gender clinics? Who went private (for all care, or some of it)? Who desisted or detransitioned and have never presented for this?

Gender clinics do not collect outcome data (I am not convinced they collect ANY data) - they have nothing to do with patients once they are discharged to GP so if they detransition, desist or die, this will not be known to gender clinics (unless they specifically go back for further care, which is frankly extremely rare). Even patients that detransition may not be obvious to GPs - they just stop taking the drugs. Some may revert sex marker, some not. These are generally young people with distrust of the system - they don't present much.

Any study will have to involve GP data. Which is decentralised and with no consistent coding. The whole project is of such mind-boggling complexity that I cannot see how it will happen without real manpower and/or time.

I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

Trans patient pathways are complex as hell (as two separate GP-led audits from England showed) and involve NHS number change, sex marker change and the use of multiple clinics.

Ooo! Were those audits published?

Gender clinics do not collect outcome data (I am not convinced they collect ANY data)

I would put money on the reason for refusal to cooperate being such sub-standard record keeping that it should lead to disciplinary action, sanctions by professional regulators and a big question mark over whether the GDCs are fit for purpose.

However, that is exactly what the Levy Review found and as far as I know there have not been any consequences for the professionals involved.

Quality (including safety)

"The absence of any patient outcomes data, alongside limited and inconsistent quality data reporting, and minimal clinical audit makes it impossible to properly understand patient outcomes and the safety of these services. These gaps place these clinics outside standard NHS quality assurance expectations."

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/operational-and-delivery-review-of-nhs-adult-gender-dysphoria-clinics-in-england/#quality-including-safety

Detransition

98. The review heard that, following assessment and treatment, some patients express regret or dissatisfaction; a smaller number choose to discontinue or reverse their gender transition. Some later decide to retransition.

99. The number of patients who express some form of regret, dissatisfaction or choose to detransition is unknown due to the absence of GDC outcomes data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/operational-and-delivery-review-of-nhs-adult-gender-dysphoria-clinics-in-england/#service-context

Any study will have to involve GP data. Which is decentralised and with no consistent coding. The whole project is of such mind-boggling complexity that I cannot see how it will happen without real manpower and/or time.

I agree. I was involved with a three year multi-centre study that followed patients through to local services to determine outcomes, among other things. There were separate prospective and retrospective components. The prospective component was obviously more manageable and one of the big challenges with the GICs study is that it would necessarily be retrospective.

I am not clear from what has been published whether it is proposed that the original University of York Protocol will be followed or if there have been any modifications.

Protocol Assessment, Management and Outcomes for children and young people referred to a National Gender Identity Development Service
V3.1;03072023
https://www.york.ac.uk/media/healthsciences/documents/research/GIDSFullProtocolv3.125072023.pdf

There are details about the proposed data collection, in response to a FOIR to NHS England, in the zip file here:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cassdatadisclosurethreats#incoming-2705431

There is also email correspondence in the zip file confirming that by April 2024 the Adult GICs/GDCs were willing to cooperate with the York Research.

File name: Data Linkage Email Correspondence_Redacted.pdf

From: Derek Glidden
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 7:54 PM
TO: PALMER, James (UNIVERSITY HOSPITALS PLYMOUTH NHS TRUST)
Cc: [REDACTED] (NHSENGLAND - X24)
Subject: Data Linkage Study
Importance: High

Dear James and [REDACTED]

I am writing to you in my capacity as the NHS England's Gender Dysphoria National Speciality Advisor to say that following discussions with the national GDC Clinical Leads, that I am assured that we as a group will be willing to support the data linkage study progressing and that we are committed to wanting advance the evidence base in our field, especially the short, medium and longer term outcomes.

I am always happy to discuss this further.

Best Wishes,
Dez

Dr Derek Glidden (pronouns he, him, his)
Transgender Healthcare Consultant (Psychiatrist)
Clinical Lead NCTHnet
Clinical Director Transgender Health and Substance Misuse Service
NHS England Gender Dysphoria National Speciality Advisor
Nottingham Centre for Transgender Health Network (NCTHnet)
12 BroadStreet
Nottingham NG1 3AL

In the zip file, also see the NHS England Report, file name:
Item 5 Update on Data Linkage Project CYP Gender Dysphoria ROB 29 May 2024 (2)_Redacted.pdf

NHS ENGLAND

Date of meeting: 29 May 2024
Paper title: Update on the Progress of the Data Linkage Project
Agenda item: 5
Report by: [REDACTED], Senior Delivery Manager, Data Collection and Delivery and Michael Chapman, Director of Data Access and Partnerships
Paper type: For note and discussion.
Sensitivity: Are the contents of this paper OFFICIAL: SENSITIVE Yes

Action Required

The Board is requested to note this paper and to offer any advice ti might have.

Executive Summary

Further to the publication of the final report of the Cass Review in April (the Report), this paper presents the Research Oversight Board with:

  • A summary of the current position relating to NHS England's preparedness to provide the University ofYork (UoY) with the data it requires to carry out the quantitative research commissioned by the Cass Review (the Review),
  • A summary of the issues currently under discussion.
  • Some background information regarding the work carried out to date.

Planned Approach and Study Protocol

The essence of the work is in response to a request from the University of York (UoY) for Hospital Episodes Statistics (HES) records in respect of every patient who attended the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) at the Tavistock and Portman NHS FT between 2009 and 2020. This requires:

1 Uploading patient demographic data (postcode, date of birth, sex/gender, NHS number) from GIDS (this is the cohort of patients for whom records are required), the five Gender Identity Clinics (GICs) and the two endocrine services.

2 Verifying each patient’s details and find any records for the same person under a different NHS number.

3 Determining which patients of the adult GICs and endocrine services belong to the GIDS/study cohort (and informing those trusts of this).

4 From the final list of patients (some of whom will have two sets of HES records) producing a final set of records (this is the data extract to be sent to the UoY).

Here is a link to the full study protocol: GIDS protocol - Health Sciences, University of York

Delivery approach

Michael Chapman will provide senior support to a multi-disciplinary team project managed by [REDACTED] within NHS England’s Transformation Directorate. This will initially comprise those who have been involved in the work since the original request for data from the UoY to NHS Digital.

Risks:
Available resource in the Data Science area – can be mitigated by senior support to prioritise this work and/or by agreeing funding and a suitable route for procuring specialist staff.

Available resource in the National Back Office (NBO) – this is a specialist team that can trace health records “by hand” in cases involving incomplete information or where details are ambiguous (e.g. distinguishing between individuals with similar details). Their help may be needed; until the data is seen it cannot be known how much time/effort may be needed from them. This might delay the work. NB A member of the NBO team has been part of the multidisciplinary team since its inception.

It is not known how easy/difficult it might be to find and match records for the same person held under different NHS numbers until the quality of the data is known (i.e. after it has been uploaded to NHS England).

Information Governance Approach

A Statutory Instrument (SI) amending the Gender Recognition Act 2004 laid in June 2022 (allowing records of those who have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) to be matched with their record pre the issue of the GRC) remains in force until June 2027. Organisations specifically named in it can therefore work with the data of those who have a GRC, which is important as, without that, given that it isn’t known who does or doesn’t have a GRC, working with data from this patient cohort would not be possible. However, as the UoY is specifically named in it, the SI would need to be amended were any other organisation to be commissioned to carry out the research.

The Confidentiality Advisory Group (CAG) issued approvals under Section 251 of the Health and Social Care Act 2012 in August 2023 (NB the UoY had applied about a year earlier). This exempted both the UoY researchers and Trust staff from having to obtain individual consent from every patient whose data would be involved in the work on the grounds that this was impracticable (and also acknowledged that the research was a legitimate use of patient data in support of health and social care). This approval remains valid.

The s251 approach was agreed upon by Jackie Grey (Director of Privacy, Transparency, Ethics and Legal in NHS Digital) and the CAG in November 2022 after representations from the Chair of the CAG (initiated under the terms of an MoU on co-operation between NHS Digital and the Health Research Agency) that a Direction would be perceived as an overly proscriptive way to try to obtain the patient data by the patient and stakeholder community.

However, as highlighted by the Report, this approach did not succeed. It is unlikely that the stakeholder community would now perceive the use of a Direction any differently to how it did in 2022, but using a Direction (and the consequent Data Provision Notice creating a legal requirement to submit data) would enable NHS England to consider action in the event that a Trust/clinic continued to refuse to provide its patient data and, in the wake of widespread comment on the refusal of the GICs to co-operate with the research, would signal to both stakeholders and the wider public that their co-operation was now being ensured.

Next Steps

1 Specialised Commissioning is currently in discussion with the UoY regarding restarting its work on the quantitative research.

2 Discussions regarding the IG approach to be adopted will continue (to include consultation with the Chair of the CAG).

Background

The then NHS Digital became involved in the research commissioned by the Cass Review in early summer 2022. At that time the Review’s Interim Report had been published which set out the research that had been commissioned by the Review.

The UoY was commissioned to carry out the quantitative research into outcomes for the cohort of GIDS patients who attended the service between 2009 and 2020. This is about 9,000 individuals. After developing its research protocol and submitting that to the CAG for approval, the UoY made a request to NHS Digital’s Data Access Request Service for the relevant patient records from the Hospital Episodes Statistics.

This request resulted in NHS Digital producing a plan for identifying which patients from the GICs and endocrinology services were part of the GIDS patient cohort and for then identifying all records held for each of those patients. The plan also provides for informing the trusts concerned which of their patients had attended the GIDS service. This would have enabled the UoY to have identified and accessed relevant patient records for a planned further stage of the research that the Report did not recommend was continued. This plan was developed in consultation with the UoY and was designed to ensure that patients could not be re-identified by researchers. NHS Digital developed all relevant Information Governance documentation in relation to its work.

NHS Digital originally planned to obtain the data via a Direction from NHS England. In November 2022 the Chair of the CAG raised concerns about this approach. Ultimately NHS Digital’s Director of Privacy, Transparency, Ethics and Legal agreed with the Chair that Section 251 approvals should be used for the flow of data into and out of NHS Digital. These were granted in August 2023 (after further work with the UoY to satisfy the CAG on other matters e.g. patient involvement). This allowed the UoY to begin to work with trusts on implementing the three-month period that had been agreed upon to allow any patients who wished to do so to opt-out of having their data used in the research. (NB this is separate to the National Data Opt-out which trusts would also have applied when submitting data to NHS Digital).

NHS Digital merged with NHS England in February 2023. This necessitated some further work on the IG after discussion with the Interim Advisory Group on Data (including the consideration of data controllership responsibilities as the Review was commissioned by Specialised Commissioning, with the Review then contracting with the UoY, which then requested data from NHS Digital, which has now merged with NHS England).

As is now well known, trusts refused their co-operation at the point of being asked to implement the opt-out option/period (in November 2023). After the University of York terminated the research the NHS England team stood down but remained in touch with one another awaiting the publication of the Report. That team therefore remains extant and is able to pick up the work from where it was left off (assuming that the research protocol produced by the UoY is not altered, which would require NHS England’s work to be rescoped and replanned).

DrTemporary · 01/03/2026 09:33

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 28/02/2026 22:52

Trans patient pathways are complex as hell (as two separate GP-led audits from England showed) and involve NHS number change, sex marker change and the use of multiple clinics.

Ooo! Were those audits published?

Gender clinics do not collect outcome data (I am not convinced they collect ANY data)

I would put money on the reason for refusal to cooperate being such sub-standard record keeping that it should lead to disciplinary action, sanctions by professional regulators and a big question mark over whether the GDCs are fit for purpose.

However, that is exactly what the Levy Review found and as far as I know there have not been any consequences for the professionals involved.

Quality (including safety)

"The absence of any patient outcomes data, alongside limited and inconsistent quality data reporting, and minimal clinical audit makes it impossible to properly understand patient outcomes and the safety of these services. These gaps place these clinics outside standard NHS quality assurance expectations."

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/operational-and-delivery-review-of-nhs-adult-gender-dysphoria-clinics-in-england/#quality-including-safety

Detransition

98. The review heard that, following assessment and treatment, some patients express regret or dissatisfaction; a smaller number choose to discontinue or reverse their gender transition. Some later decide to retransition.

99. The number of patients who express some form of regret, dissatisfaction or choose to detransition is unknown due to the absence of GDC outcomes data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/operational-and-delivery-review-of-nhs-adult-gender-dysphoria-clinics-in-england/#service-context

Any study will have to involve GP data. Which is decentralised and with no consistent coding. The whole project is of such mind-boggling complexity that I cannot see how it will happen without real manpower and/or time.

I agree. I was involved with a three year multi-centre study that followed patients through to local services to determine outcomes, among other things. There were separate prospective and retrospective components. The prospective component was obviously more manageable and one of the big challenges with the GICs study is that it would necessarily be retrospective.

I am not clear from what has been published whether it is proposed that the original University of York Protocol will be followed or if there have been any modifications.

Protocol Assessment, Management and Outcomes for children and young people referred to a National Gender Identity Development Service
V3.1;03072023
https://www.york.ac.uk/media/healthsciences/documents/research/GIDSFullProtocolv3.125072023.pdf

There are details about the proposed data collection, in response to a FOIR to NHS England, in the zip file here:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cassdatadisclosurethreats#incoming-2705431

There is also email correspondence in the zip file confirming that by April 2024 the Adult GICs/GDCs were willing to cooperate with the York Research.

File name: Data Linkage Email Correspondence_Redacted.pdf

From: Derek Glidden
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 7:54 PM
TO: PALMER, James (UNIVERSITY HOSPITALS PLYMOUTH NHS TRUST)
Cc: [REDACTED] (NHSENGLAND - X24)
Subject: Data Linkage Study
Importance: High

Dear James and [REDACTED]

I am writing to you in my capacity as the NHS England's Gender Dysphoria National Speciality Advisor to say that following discussions with the national GDC Clinical Leads, that I am assured that we as a group will be willing to support the data linkage study progressing and that we are committed to wanting advance the evidence base in our field, especially the short, medium and longer term outcomes.

I am always happy to discuss this further.

Best Wishes,
Dez

Dr Derek Glidden (pronouns he, him, his)
Transgender Healthcare Consultant (Psychiatrist)
Clinical Lead NCTHnet
Clinical Director Transgender Health and Substance Misuse Service
NHS England Gender Dysphoria National Speciality Advisor
Nottingham Centre for Transgender Health Network (NCTHnet)
12 BroadStreet
Nottingham NG1 3AL

In the zip file, also see the NHS England Report, file name:
Item 5 Update on Data Linkage Project CYP Gender Dysphoria ROB 29 May 2024 (2)_Redacted.pdf

NHS ENGLAND

Date of meeting: 29 May 2024
Paper title: Update on the Progress of the Data Linkage Project
Agenda item: 5
Report by: [REDACTED], Senior Delivery Manager, Data Collection and Delivery and Michael Chapman, Director of Data Access and Partnerships
Paper type: For note and discussion.
Sensitivity: Are the contents of this paper OFFICIAL: SENSITIVE Yes

Action Required

The Board is requested to note this paper and to offer any advice ti might have.

Executive Summary

Further to the publication of the final report of the Cass Review in April (the Report), this paper presents the Research Oversight Board with:

  • A summary of the current position relating to NHS England's preparedness to provide the University ofYork (UoY) with the data it requires to carry out the quantitative research commissioned by the Cass Review (the Review),
  • A summary of the issues currently under discussion.
  • Some background information regarding the work carried out to date.

Planned Approach and Study Protocol

The essence of the work is in response to a request from the University of York (UoY) for Hospital Episodes Statistics (HES) records in respect of every patient who attended the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) at the Tavistock and Portman NHS FT between 2009 and 2020. This requires:

1 Uploading patient demographic data (postcode, date of birth, sex/gender, NHS number) from GIDS (this is the cohort of patients for whom records are required), the five Gender Identity Clinics (GICs) and the two endocrine services.

2 Verifying each patient’s details and find any records for the same person under a different NHS number.

3 Determining which patients of the adult GICs and endocrine services belong to the GIDS/study cohort (and informing those trusts of this).

4 From the final list of patients (some of whom will have two sets of HES records) producing a final set of records (this is the data extract to be sent to the UoY).

Here is a link to the full study protocol: GIDS protocol - Health Sciences, University of York

Delivery approach

Michael Chapman will provide senior support to a multi-disciplinary team project managed by [REDACTED] within NHS England’s Transformation Directorate. This will initially comprise those who have been involved in the work since the original request for data from the UoY to NHS Digital.

Risks:
Available resource in the Data Science area – can be mitigated by senior support to prioritise this work and/or by agreeing funding and a suitable route for procuring specialist staff.

Available resource in the National Back Office (NBO) – this is a specialist team that can trace health records “by hand” in cases involving incomplete information or where details are ambiguous (e.g. distinguishing between individuals with similar details). Their help may be needed; until the data is seen it cannot be known how much time/effort may be needed from them. This might delay the work. NB A member of the NBO team has been part of the multidisciplinary team since its inception.

It is not known how easy/difficult it might be to find and match records for the same person held under different NHS numbers until the quality of the data is known (i.e. after it has been uploaded to NHS England).

Information Governance Approach

A Statutory Instrument (SI) amending the Gender Recognition Act 2004 laid in June 2022 (allowing records of those who have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) to be matched with their record pre the issue of the GRC) remains in force until June 2027. Organisations specifically named in it can therefore work with the data of those who have a GRC, which is important as, without that, given that it isn’t known who does or doesn’t have a GRC, working with data from this patient cohort would not be possible. However, as the UoY is specifically named in it, the SI would need to be amended were any other organisation to be commissioned to carry out the research.

The Confidentiality Advisory Group (CAG) issued approvals under Section 251 of the Health and Social Care Act 2012 in August 2023 (NB the UoY had applied about a year earlier). This exempted both the UoY researchers and Trust staff from having to obtain individual consent from every patient whose data would be involved in the work on the grounds that this was impracticable (and also acknowledged that the research was a legitimate use of patient data in support of health and social care). This approval remains valid.

The s251 approach was agreed upon by Jackie Grey (Director of Privacy, Transparency, Ethics and Legal in NHS Digital) and the CAG in November 2022 after representations from the Chair of the CAG (initiated under the terms of an MoU on co-operation between NHS Digital and the Health Research Agency) that a Direction would be perceived as an overly proscriptive way to try to obtain the patient data by the patient and stakeholder community.

However, as highlighted by the Report, this approach did not succeed. It is unlikely that the stakeholder community would now perceive the use of a Direction any differently to how it did in 2022, but using a Direction (and the consequent Data Provision Notice creating a legal requirement to submit data) would enable NHS England to consider action in the event that a Trust/clinic continued to refuse to provide its patient data and, in the wake of widespread comment on the refusal of the GICs to co-operate with the research, would signal to both stakeholders and the wider public that their co-operation was now being ensured.

Next Steps

1 Specialised Commissioning is currently in discussion with the UoY regarding restarting its work on the quantitative research.

2 Discussions regarding the IG approach to be adopted will continue (to include consultation with the Chair of the CAG).

Background

The then NHS Digital became involved in the research commissioned by the Cass Review in early summer 2022. At that time the Review’s Interim Report had been published which set out the research that had been commissioned by the Review.

The UoY was commissioned to carry out the quantitative research into outcomes for the cohort of GIDS patients who attended the service between 2009 and 2020. This is about 9,000 individuals. After developing its research protocol and submitting that to the CAG for approval, the UoY made a request to NHS Digital’s Data Access Request Service for the relevant patient records from the Hospital Episodes Statistics.

This request resulted in NHS Digital producing a plan for identifying which patients from the GICs and endocrinology services were part of the GIDS patient cohort and for then identifying all records held for each of those patients. The plan also provides for informing the trusts concerned which of their patients had attended the GIDS service. This would have enabled the UoY to have identified and accessed relevant patient records for a planned further stage of the research that the Report did not recommend was continued. This plan was developed in consultation with the UoY and was designed to ensure that patients could not be re-identified by researchers. NHS Digital developed all relevant Information Governance documentation in relation to its work.

NHS Digital originally planned to obtain the data via a Direction from NHS England. In November 2022 the Chair of the CAG raised concerns about this approach. Ultimately NHS Digital’s Director of Privacy, Transparency, Ethics and Legal agreed with the Chair that Section 251 approvals should be used for the flow of data into and out of NHS Digital. These were granted in August 2023 (after further work with the UoY to satisfy the CAG on other matters e.g. patient involvement). This allowed the UoY to begin to work with trusts on implementing the three-month period that had been agreed upon to allow any patients who wished to do so to opt-out of having their data used in the research. (NB this is separate to the National Data Opt-out which trusts would also have applied when submitting data to NHS Digital).

NHS Digital merged with NHS England in February 2023. This necessitated some further work on the IG after discussion with the Interim Advisory Group on Data (including the consideration of data controllership responsibilities as the Review was commissioned by Specialised Commissioning, with the Review then contracting with the UoY, which then requested data from NHS Digital, which has now merged with NHS England).

As is now well known, trusts refused their co-operation at the point of being asked to implement the opt-out option/period (in November 2023). After the University of York terminated the research the NHS England team stood down but remained in touch with one another awaiting the publication of the Report. That team therefore remains extant and is able to pick up the work from where it was left off (assuming that the research protocol produced by the UoY is not altered, which would require NHS England’s work to be rescoped and replanned).

Edited

Available resource in the National Back Office (NBO) – this is a specialist team that can trace health records “by hand” in cases involving incomplete information or where details are ambiguous (e.g. distinguishing between individuals with similar details). Their help may be needed; until the data is seen it cannot be known how much time/effort may be needed from them. This might delay the work. NB A member of the NBO team has been part of the multidisciplinary team since its inception.
It is not known how easy/difficult it might be to find and match records for the same person held under different NHS numbers until the quality of the data is known (i.e. after it has been uploaded to NHS England).

Time and effort will be considerable. I can tell them that for free! I can't understand from what you posted (as I am thick or tired) what the confidentiality bit implies - can patients individually opt out or not? This (This allowed the UoY to begin to work with trusts on implementing the three-month period that had been agreed upon to allow any patients who wished to do so to opt-out of having their data used in the research) implies they can which would be hugely important in terms of bias.

Ooo! Were those audits published?

Yes: here in 2022 https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/10/1/121
and here in 2025 https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/13/4/353
Both open access.

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