Rupert Lowe & Restore Britain new party

[RogueFemale]

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/

He's been very good about pursuing rape gangs. But I wonder if it's motivated purely by concern for women and girls. I saw on the party website FAQs that 'high level" donors will receive a tie (presumably branded). No apparent thought given to the possibility of a high level female donor.

https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2023689748678578211?s=20

Food security seems to be the agricultural/farming aim. I agree with this policy, I never understood why with environmental concerns people like Milliband didn’t push eating seasonally and locally. Also I really don’t like the way Labour have treated our farmers. Surely it is better for the environment than flying in produce from abroad. I do what I can to eat locally and seasonally.

Instead Milliband is keen on using land for solar panels and wind turbines (which I understand from Australia are bad for the environment at the end of the lifespan when you need to replace them).

I have no link to farming except I’ve chatted to a few over the years. No skin in the game except I try and buy British produce and want all Halal recoverable stun and non stun labelled (actually I would now prefer it banned after watching a video).

If any of you are farmers I’d be interested in your point of view on Lowes policy. I really try to support British farming and Labours stance on inheritance tax on family farms is awful.

Ik you’re focusing on that, many Labour supporters do without mention of Labour’s actual impact on women and girls getting asylum now. Anywhere, not just this thread.

We don't live in a free information environment, we have a hugely biased mainstream media to the right wing - you might not believe it or feel that you experience it, but it's provable by looking at the affiliation of media owners. And social media owners.

You haven’t come across the BBC then? Or the Guardian? You’re not seriously claiming they are right wing biased?

I’ve asked this elsewhere and received no answer. Can you provide a definition of ‘far right’ and list which of Reform or Restores policies fit that description. In parts their approach agrees with our current Hime Secretary - are you saying she is far right too?

I am a politically homeless (ex Labour voter) and am interested in all new potential parties. Not sure about Restore - obviously agree with their single sex spaces policy - but feel their stance on immigration is too broad. Having said this, I do appreciate Lowe’s straight speaking style, although suspect it will get him into trouble. We will see.

I agree the party is extremely useful if it weakens Reform by splitting the vote.
However I'm not sure Lowe will ever present a significant threat to Farage. Lowe is a ranter. He has extreme ideas, but unlike Farage doesn't appear to have understood the need to present them in a way that conceals the extremity to gain sufficient support from ordinary 'decent' people. If you want someone to preach to the choir, Lowe's your man. If you hope to convert then you're better off with someone less ruled by their emotions who can mask the full extent of their extremity.

Neither is far left fascism any friend to feminism, or to women come to that. Males in women's toilets, changing rooms, Refuges, women's hospital wards, Rape Crisis Centres etc.

Is there any reason using the term 'far left' is all good, but saying 'far right' gives some posters a fit of the vapours?

You can't get much further left than communism. The Communist Party have been explicit about their sex realist position and commitment to protecting women's sex based rights. So you are quite wrong in equating support for TI with the 'far left'. Nothing could be further from far left ideology than prioritising the wishes of a tiny section of society over the needs of the majority.
What you're actually talking about is a moderate, somewhat left leaning government who have sat on the fence trying to please everyone in the TI debate and have pleased no one. Which is a failing.
However, this is no way compares to the blatantly regressive attitudes towards women and shameless centering of men's needs over women's that we've had from Lowe.
Hopefully when the government gets its finger out we will see an end to men in women's spaces. Meanwhile, a government headed by Lowe would be welcoming them onto maternity wards, because at the moment they don't get enough attention while women are giving birth.

Perhaps Lowe's reasons for wanting men on maternity wards, is because he want's men to be able to be more involved in the birth of their children. Not a bad idea, wrong solution, definitely wrong solution, doing some around paternity leave would be a much better idea.

Calling Restore or Reform Far Right is ridiculous, something needs to be done about the number of illegal immigrants in this country, as inconvenient a truth as that is we're not a doss house they've got to go. Whether Lowe has any idea how it can be done remains to be seen.

Perhaps Lowe's reasons for wanting men on maternity wards, is because he want's men to be able to be more involved in the birth of their children.

Well if you're not keeping the NHS, it's probably a good idea.

I don’t understand that policy tbh as Men are allowed to be on maternity wards in my local hospital. My husband stayed the three nights I was on the ward - he slept in a chair next to me. I am glad as I was really unwell and the nurses were awful (complaint upheld by the hospital- so not me just expecting too much).

It would be helpful if husbands or parents of sick children could buy food. Maybe pay in advance to receive food (so hospital is not out of pocket if the patient is discharged). My friend barely ate as she remained by her toddlers side after an emergency admission (single parent with no local support to take in food). She was asked not to leave her toddler by staff so a quick visit to the canteen was not an option.

And there's always Grim Galloway's Worker's Party. Definitely far left and sex realist. If poster's can apparently overlook or rationalise all of Restore's other policies on the basis of their position on one specific issue how come they never seem to find themselves over on the left, making the same excuses? It's a mystery.

I think the point is that some women are apparantly under the impression that because Lowe has referred to transgenderism as 'filth' he is committed to keeping men out of single sex spaces for women.
You may well have appreciated your husband being on the ward overnight, but to other women on the ward he is a male stranger. And in much the same way many women wouldn't want male strangers in other places where they may be vulnerable and in a state of undress, such as changing rooms and toilets, equally they don't want them there when they have just given birth.
The fact that some hospitals allow it is not supported by all women, and certainly not by women who value single sex spaces. So its a little odd when these women champion Lowe.
I don't understand the policy either. The only thing I can come up with is that Lowe has no problem with men in women's spaces provided they are not trans identified men.

Indeed. Sex realism has been appropriated as an excuse to support far right politicians by women who need to square the circle of being 'feminist' while supporting mysogynists. We see this a lot with Trump supporting women. It's also been used by MRA to gain the trust of women who give them air time because they 'know what a woman is'. Regrettably they also tend to have pretty clear ideas about what being a woman should look like and where her place is.

Well that a good counter to the left wingers who won’t pursue it because they have brown skin ……..

if we didn’t have the former people wouldn’t feel the need for the latter.

In parts their approach agrees with our current Home Secretary - are you saying she is far right too?

She's further right than she or her party have been in a long while, see my Overton window point.

4.3 million UK freelancers would absolutely vote for IR35 being repealed on day one. Thats a lot of people, https://www.freelanceinformer.com/news/can-rupert-lowes-restore-britain-actually-fix-ir35/

I’m one of that 4.3 million. I wouldn’t vote on that one issue alone and ignore everything else.

Edited to add, you’d have probably benefitted from reading the whole article.

I did actually. I personally have two single issues to choose my vote on, the trans nonsense and - IR35.

I rather doubt that Restore will be around at the next election, let alone standing 650 candidates.

First, a reality check spotted on Guido:

Much has been made on X of Rupert Lowe’s new party Restore Britain as well as Ben Habib’s Advance UK, both of which get frequent viral views. JLP Partners’ James Johnson has just revealed new polling which shows Lowe and Habib’s recognition rates by the British public are dismal. Only 8% could recognise Lowe and half that percentage knew who Habib was when shown a picture.

Popularity on X - and Lowe has a big X following thanks to being boosted by Musk - is not the same as popularity in the real world. I strongly suspect that most of Lowe's online following is American, much of the rest is European, and it's going to be a real problem for him that he's being signal boosted by open white nationalists like Martin Sellner.

Also, Rupert, being a boomer, has left all this online stuff to the energetic young men who have clustered around him because they're all blackballed from joining Reform. Some observations on those young men here:
A few notes on Restore Britain. - by LaoCaiLarry

Popularity on X - and Lowe has a big X following thanks to being boosted by Musk - is not the same as popularity in the real world.

Brings back memories of a bemused Momentum supporter utterly amazed that Magic Grandad hadn't swept to victory because "We had millions of views on our Facebook videos".

There used to be an analogue version of this, which was known in Westminster as "lunch".

Alan Duncan almost blagged his way into being a Tory leadership candidate, just because he gave great lunches. Lobby journalists loved going to lunch with Alan and hearing all his wickedly funny gossip. They wrote columns about what a great leader he would be. The only trouble was, Alan had neglected to give lunch to MPs, and couldn't find anyone to nominate him.

Rupert Lowe is a 68 year old man who's hired a bunch of 20something young men who have promised they can meme him into political power with their internet magic. Basically he has hired the supporting players from Carl Benjamin's podcast. They have some ability to create viral content, but it's not proven that this will attract voters. I have my doubts that normie voters, once exposed to Charlie Downes and Connor Tomlinson and Harrison Pitt, will say "these bright young lads are England's future."

Nigel Farage is going around building branches and getting councillors elected and generally putting a ground game into place. Maybe he knows what he's doing.

Maybe @SionnachRuadh Although Nigel's problem seems to be that when he gets councillors elected they either fuck up or fall out, or both.

I think it’s probably very hard to set up a party that can get votes across regions. I mean over time parties have come and gone but it’s a big deal to rn for the two party system to be under this threat.

Zarah Sultana does well on SM, a few others, but it takes a lot to get candidates not just one voice.