Rupert Lowe & Restore Britain new party

[RogueFemale]

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/

He's been very good about pursuing rape gangs. But I wonder if it's motivated purely by concern for women and girls. I saw on the party website FAQs that 'high level" donors will receive a tie (presumably branded). No apparent thought given to the possibility of a high level female donor.

And...

I had to take a pic as I couldn’t copy and paste..

The problem with this is that at present there are only two countries where you can pre-apply for asylum from before leaving those countries. If you are from anywhere else there is no alternative but to arrive here "illegally" (no such thing as illegal entry if you are intending to claim asylum that's completely incorrect terminology carefully used by media) and then apply for asylum as soon as possible while here.

Asylum seekers and refugees with status are the only immigrants entitled to benefits. Asylum seekers are only entitled to benefits because we do not let them work while living here which in turn creates problems with integration and language. The caveat to that is that many genuine refugees have experienced significant trauma and may not be in a fit state to work and will therefore need benefits to support them and that can take time to manifest when they finally feel safe.

So to me, any politician advocating these changes has a significant lack of awareness of the reality faced by people claiming asylum or with refugee status. What they want to tackle is exploitation and trafficking, but they know they can't do that so they're targeting victims instead. Any politician who refers to illegal immigration when referring to asylum seekers and small boats is dangerous in my book.

Excellent, thanks. But he really needs to be more diplomatic with his language.

My union?

Great thanks for spelling out your position.

im sure the position of Reform and this new party will be - you can’t apply for asylum at all.

There is a difference, possibly too subtle for you, between voting for a racist voting for a party and voting for a party because the party is racist. Although the Greens seem to be going out of their way to attracting some of those for whom the Labour Party is no longer racist enough for them.

There are about 4 billion people in this world who need asylum, should we let them all in? Is it racists to ask such a question, is it racist to not want your home treated like a doss house, open to all the worlds unfortunates.

Again you are mistaken.

It is not me who does not understand the subtly that people can vote for restore and not be racist, it's the posters who are stridently anti Rupert who claim this.

See my quoted post to you earlier which provided an example,And many other examples in the thread, and direct your argument to them.

All I ever see him go on about is mass deportations, the death penalty and stripping people of benefits. I just see someone performing to people's current prejudices to gain influence. I have yet to see anything much about any other topic - education, housing,environment etc (other than blaming foreigners for any issues)

But I don’t believe everyone who votes for Restore is racist. But I may that large parts of that party is racist. Or they encourage racism. Or they amplify racist narratives. The problem seems to be that not one of their supporters on here appears to entertain the possibility that they are in the slightest bit racist. For straight talking, unafraid to have the hard conversations women, there seems a marked reluctance to say “yep, they’re quite racist, but I’m happy to overlook that”. No one seems to want to own that. Or maybe FWR is the one place in the UK with no racists.

And automating the tube to get one over on the train drivers. Because removing more staff from the tube would definitely benefit women travellers.

Or, maybe, nobody “supporting” them thinks those policies ARE racist?

I’ve not seen any racist policies from Reform, and Restore is a TBD I expect. If you have a specific racist policy, please link to it.

I should probably point out that I just like talking politics. People mistake talking about a policy for supporting a policy. A political argument round the pub table is my idea of heaven.

there are lots of Green policies I like for example and just as many Reform have. Isn’t it complex being human?

Well
it would be safer and cheaper and more reliable as well….

Lots of people on this thread don't think restore policies are racist. And have said so. Have you read the thread?

Lots do.

Some people think:

i) if you vote restore you must be racist.

ii) Some think you can vote restore and not be racist and of course vote restore and be racist. As you said in your list. And as I agreed with.

It's the people in group i) who need your list.

Basically I agree with caravan:

Rupert has some great policies for women and animal rights but we'd like to see more on both counts.

And we disagree with some other stuff he said.

It's nice to end in agreement 😊

How does full repeal of the Equality Act benefit women?

Sorry I missed this reply to me.

And I just looked it up and you're right he is worried about the poor hungry men on the maternity ward.

Good grief.

I think we'll see a lot of random ill thought out policy suggestions from Rupert.

I hope Reform and the tories adopt repeal the GRA.
He's going to make Reform look moderate!

Restore has no policy on animal rights or womens rights so it's not possible to say whether I agree with him or not.

He has a single point on one aspect of animal welfare and womens rights on which you and I agree, possibly for very different reasons.

I look forward to seeing meaningful policies from Restore. I'm particularly interested in seeing some expansion on the key issue of hose pipe bans.

I plan to vote for him if there's enough momentum behind it by 2029 that it wouldn't just be a wasted vote, and I think there's a genuine possibility that Restore could break through. Since 1997 we've been on a profoundly destabilising path and I would support any government that can cut some of the Gordian knots we've tied ourselves up in.

How do people think these mass deportations happen?

When Rupert Lowe says to already very right wing people "I don't want you if you don't have the stomach for it" what do you think he has in mind?

When you vote Restore and see scenes like we have in America, children beung put in detention camps, non-white citizens being dragged from their schools, having to organise food deliveries because non-white neighbours are too terrified to leave their homes, how do you feel about your choice then?

Other than the people who actively want violence, there's a few who seem to believe we magically revert to some supposedly ideal all white peaceful past.

It doesn't work like that. You don't tear families apart, kill people in the streets, ban people from being elected because they're black, tell doctors, nurses, care workers that they're not wanted because they're "foreign" and not have profoundly damaging consequences to society as a whole.

If nothing else, think selfishly. What happens when the society told that treating people like this is OK turns that on you?

@HedgerowTales It will be interesting to see what Restore have in mind for the hedgerows, wildlife and environment.

Rupert Lowe supports fracking and is a climate change denier....despite owning an air source heat pump company. Restore include blood sports in their promotional films about the 'good old days' and have no policy on the environment.

Why do we have countries? Why do we have borders?

you seem to be advocating for some ultra far left, no borders free for all?

you’re also to be blunt making an awful lot of stuff up. Some people were in America without being citizens or having permission to be there. They were removed. Entirely legally.

There’s as much chance of Your Party I think. Reform is topping the charts as Nigel is a known charismatic leader Rupert just doesn’t have the visibility or backing and clearly not a proper set of policies.

also no chance of election in 29. 27 latest.

due to council elections being reinstated yesterday the Labour disaster will be worse as will the Tory’s. Starmer will be out within a week of those results, leadership election, Streeting wins, Rayner comes second, aStreeting calls an election in late 26 early 27 as he has no credibility. Rolls the dice. Fails. Farage is PM within weeks.

Why were you unable to respond to this poster without misrepresenting her? There is nothing in her post that suggests she is 'ultra left' or advocating for free borders, is there? I've lost count of the number of times people with right wing views say "you seem to be saying..." then insert something they've invented.
I understand its difficult to look at the scenario the OP has described and argue for it without showing a side of yourself you'd rather conceal, but avoiding that by misrepresenting her is disingenuous. How about instead you tell us what you think that society would look like?