Rupert Lowe & Restore Britain new party

[RogueFemale]

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/

He's been very good about pursuing rape gangs. But I wonder if it's motivated purely by concern for women and girls. I saw on the party website FAQs that 'high level" donors will receive a tie (presumably branded). No apparent thought given to the possibility of a high level female donor.

I have seen this error in two posts now. Reform is indeed Far Right. So is Lowe's thing.

Just because a majority of people support something does not make it "centrist".

The idea of Left and Right are about different opinions on the role of the state, the market, and social justice, and traditional values in creating a better society. The further you push in either direction the more dogmatic you get about some of the ideas.

Have you heard of the Overton window? The idea that the normalised range of policies discussed in society shifts over time so that things that seemed right or left now seem more central?

We don't live in a free information environment, we have a hugely biased mainstream media to the right wing - you might not believe it or feel that you experience it, but it's provable by looking at the affiliation of media owners. And social media owners.

We are debating ideas now that range from traditionally centrist to pretty far right. This is partly because geopolitics and climate reality means the needs of world can't be met any more by traditional state and market action.

But make no mistake there's nothing centrist about Farage, Lowe, Trump and all the rest.

What they are is populist - espousing simple sounding ideas to solve complex problems, that don't stand up to reality but which make us feel better about the world.

I ask, like other posters- what are their economic policies? If they are going to be protectionist, how will that benefit our economy? How will they help women and girls- in a way that respects their autonomy and desire to do stuff in the world, as well as "protecting them from brown men" like possessions or objects?

Perhaps most importantly at the moment, how will they break the cabal of frightening, powerful billionaires steeped in rape culture who we have just seen are running the world? How will they protect the UK and dismantle those power bases?

They won't. They are those folks and they aspire to be those folks.

So no response on how repeal of the Equality Act benefits women. Maybe someone could be more forthcoming coming on how the immediate removal of Afghan women’s rights activists is a feminist move.

…have I heard of the Overton window…..

yes.

anyway. You’ve not shown any evidence that either of these parties are far right. Barely any that they are populist.

combat 18 is far right. Reform is just, popular, and about to be in charge of the country.

If you don’t think that people who should not be in a country, should be removed, you are by definition arguing for no borders.

and again - this isn’t personal. You don’t know what I think though you think you do. I just like talking politics and that means being able to talk about all the positions.

But Reform don't have a consistent and cohesive set of policies they have a collection of kneejerk social policy dog whistles. The things they say they will do don't add up to being able to pay for the society we live in, (such as stopping all immigration, when this is a net financial benefit, esp after brexit); don't agree with global realities (such as rowing back on climate targets and environmental levies); and speak to really powerful emotional stories about what people want (a white cosy Britain with little cultural diversity). This powerful cultural story leads them into far right behaviours - it is unequivocally far right to say that you will crack down on detaining asylum seekers. And their "free speech" platform is about paving the way for further hate speech and right wing media to have even greater stranglehold.

I would say that having a culturally protectionist ideology is intrinsically far right in itself in this day and age. Isn't it just a bit pathetic to not want other cultures around you? Obviously everyone should keep the laws of the land but you don't solve global tensions about religion, women's rights and so on by putting up fences, you solve it by strengthening diverse communities and by strong rule of law together with neighbours who share the same ideas (cough Europe cough)

They are right wing, rather than far right, on taxation, I'll give you that.

What's the justification for removing Afghan women's rights activists from the UK? How is opposing that advocating for no borders? Or indeed how is that a policy that supports women?

I don’t think I could be more clear without being rude, but either you support the removal of people from a country who should not be there or you do not believe in borders you can’t have both

I’d be very interested for you to explain a little bit further how you think their focus on free speech will somehow become a crackdown on free speech that’s quite a leap

and if you could explain why you do not think their policies are cohesive for example pointing out the gaps and where policies don’t line up in detail, I’d be very interested to read that

oh and everybody does understand that net migration is a financial benefit to the country. However reforms position is that the cost to that to our society and to our culture is too high and we should find an alternative route to economic growth

What's the justification for the removal of Afghan women's rights activists?

are they British citizens and or have a right to remain in the country or visa etc?

if so. They stay. If not they go.

Afghan women’s rights activists who arrived in the UK legally via the emergency resettlement scheme. Restore’s policy is to remove them. How is that either justified or pro women?

I don’t know why you think I should justify their policy. It’s not my policy.

but you either have borders which means rules for who is allowed or not or you have no rules and no borders.

if those people don’t fit in the rules of people allowed. They go. Because those are the rules. That’s just how it is?

I agree, how can every party in the country be so bad. The utter incompetance of the the government is terrifying. I could pick randoms on the street and come up with a better government. Common sense is obviously not so common.

He will support farmers, which is vital for food security and basically what has created the countryside as we know it.

We'll have to see more detail on the environment, but I'm aware he doesn't support Net Zero. Good. If we're living through a climate catastrophe, we might as well not do that while deliberately empoverishing ourselves. The UK achieving Net Zero will not move the needle on the climate, particularly as we're simply off-shoring our carbon footprint. I don't much care what his personal views are on global warming, or his business interests. Perhaps he sees the benefits of a hybrid approach to energy. Sounds good to me.

So the justification for the removal of those women under Restore’s policies would be “them’s the rules”? And no one should question those rules? No one should discuss, for example, why Afghan women should have the rules under which they entered the U.K. changed but Ukrainian women shouldn’t? Because if anyone does want to examine these apparent discrepancies they’re accused of calling everyone racist.

The policy impacting whether women and children the most on whether they can get asylum is happening rn with Labour.

Well, campaign to change the rules and explain why they should be?

What rules do you think I want to change? Afghan women are here legally. It’s Restore that want to change that.

So the answer to that is to remove more women. Women who arrived legally under existing regulations? Odd take, but OK.

I’m wondering why you’re focusing on something a party who likely won’t get in might do but ignoring the major impact of the one that is in now, why is that?

Do you think the title and premis of the thread we've been invited to discuss might have something to do with it...?🤔

Just generally people seem focused on something unlikely to happen and no posts from pro Labour on a policy that is majorly impacting asylum for women and children.

Being drawn to this thread and not posting about what is going on is part of that. Why so little care? Is it more about caring about a political party than who gets asylum and can stay

Because this thread is about Restore and Lowe. The clue’s in the title.

I think this party is much needed! Nigel Farage is just an agitator, Rupert actually gets things done-look at the rape gang enquiry....