Trans patient records medical team during cancer surgery

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www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/nyregion/transgender-patient-records-during-cancer-surgery.html?smtyp=cur&utm_social_post_id=611783878&utm_social_handle_id=5281959998&smid=fb-nytimes

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Has this been shared? These pieces always reveal so much.

No female person reduces testosterone to compete in female sports categories.

Name one female person who reduces their naturally produced testosterone and who is not a male person with a DSD to compete in female sport.

You introduced the 'evidence' from the IBA in the post I was responding to.

But the evidence isn't 'from' the IBA, is it?

Either you're being dishonest, or you're just so prejudiced on this that you don't want to actually find out the truth - you're willing to follow stuff you've been fed without actually looking at it. Grasping at any plausible-sounding excuse to ignore an inconvenient truth.

“If Khelif believes she will be vindicated through upcoming Olympic/competition-related testing, then I will wait and see what happens. She is owed the opportunity.”

No male boxer should be punching female boxers in the face. The IOC has been hugely negligent here in allowing the loophole that it did.

So, no. I don’t believe that Khelif is ‘owed’ an opportunity to punch more female people in the boxing ring. Khelif had referred to the current regulations when saying he will take the test and pass. Because that is current IOC guidelines.

It is meaningless bravado on his part to make an announcement about doing testing under the current regulations. He is reducing testosterone as per the regulations.

That doesn’t mean he is a female person though. The reduction of testosterone for competition in a female category is only done by MALE people.

Indeed, NS. The results were from an independent lab and also analysed and reported by an Obstetrician / Gynocologist specialist.

This empty ‘the IBA is corrupt’ is sparple. It is irrelevant to the point and always was. The IOC is corrupt too, but apparently that doesn’t matter.

If Khelif believes she will be vindicated through upcoming Olympic/competition-related testing, then I will wait and see what happens.

Khelif has been tested by an approved lab. Do you think the outcome will be different next time?

What are the chances of a 'grandmother' being a male with a DSD and having a grandchild who is trans?

Statistically that's got to be pretty small.

The tests were done by 2 independent internationally accredited labs on separate continents. Nobody is risking their reputation to mess around with results as they know the tests will be repeated in another lab

At some point it will sink in for this poster that actually, they don’t really understand the situation with Khelif. They also plainly don’t care either.

Khelif is not a female boxer and Khelif declaring that he is ‘female’ has become a significant issue because of the direct harm he causes to female people.

For crying out loud! He's a bloke with a DSD. That's been obvious from the word go.

The Olympic committee accidentally confirmed Khelif has a DSD when they gave a press conference stating that this wasn't a DSD issue and then later had to issue a correction that they should have actually said it wasn't a trans issue

But my great-grandmother was a man with a DSD who married my great-grandfather who was a woman with a DSD. They had three children but only my grandfather survived. Sadly, they came from Eastern Europe and they were killed and all the records destroyed during WWII.

I bloody love the internet.

Then he was your grandfather not your grandmother or had a dsd which would mean cais I assume
Edited as I posted to soon

I don't know. We will find out, won't we? Sshe's never deserved the harassment and hatred directed at her regardless of the outcome.

He had no business getting in the ring against women. He could have killed one.

Those female people are boxers. They willingly participate within in a sport of risk and trauma. Khelif is not a man and has never been a man.

When Martina Navratilova started to dominate tennis, female players said they'd never played against any woman as powerful and manly as Martina Navratilova. Fans (and not fans) speculated all sorts of theories about how and why this was. Martina Navratilova is a woman.

Statistically higher than any sex realist has ever pondered.

Fucking hell! The misinformation and false comparisons keep coming.

Martina is female and always was. There is no equivalence between her situation and that of Khelif. At all.

Khelif is MALE. You stating he was never a ‘man’ is irrelevant, because he is MALE.

Can you explain what part of no female athlete competing in the Olympics has ever had to suppress her naturally occurring testosterone levels do you not understand? Because I can attempt to explain in more detail if needed.

But if it is just your choice to keep doubling down, that is fine. I reckon posters will just keep pointing out how misinformed you are

You are making irrelevant points that are just sparple at this stage trying to defend your claims about Khelif that you didn’t bother checking before making.

Those female boxers have little choice if they wished to represent their country. Those female boxers were also told that they were boxing a female competitor.

Their consent was negated by the IOC’s false assertion.

You have engaged in a form of victim blaming. And shown again that you don’t understand consent.

Again… well done. You are pulling out all the tactics to defend a male boxer punching female boxers in the ring in female boxing matches.

I'm going to keep saying it. Khelif is a man with a DSD. He has never been a woman. I would suggest he has ambiguous genitalia and a micropenis. Some men with a micropenis have a very small one, of about 1-2 centimeters. As a baby it would have been quite easy for medical personnel to mistake him for a female. As he got older it was probably evident that they were mistaken but no one had the courage to admit it and carry out proper investigation
Instead they turned him into a boxer, to beat women up. It's a disgrace.

Sex realism always ascribes the worst faith to every situation. This is not different. Calling Khelif a man has no ability to rewrite her personal history and experience in the world. Speculating on tests, constructing motivations and spreading conspiracy theories does not protect women.

Sex realists do believe Khelif is a man and is a tool of the patriarchy to pummel female athletes. No one needs to convince me of that, I am well aware, thank you.

With respect, it's quite a leap to infer:

'anyone who requests entry to a female sports category must be female, regardless of the results of laboratory sex testing'

from

'some sportswomen have in the past been wrongly accused, at the bar-room debate level, of being men'

For the avoidance of doubt, by "quite a leap" I meant something very close to 'utterly risible'.

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Maybe. It is really easy to write off most sex realist accusations as frothing rumour, boiled in the rage of 100 righteous twitter users.

Huh!! Hey wims! We have graduated from six women with socks to repeating falsehoods from 100 righteous twitter users!

Is this job enrichment? We get to repeat stuff from 100 people?

(Whose sock am I by the way? I have never found out?)

Khelif is as much of a woman as Caster (im no less of a woman because i have internal testicles) Semanya is.

I'd suggest that removing men from female boxing competitions would do a great deal to protect female boxers. As would men not entering female spaces or facilities generally. A man's 'feelings' don't take precedence over reality.