Trans patient records medical team during cancer surgery

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www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/nyregion/transgender-patient-records-during-cancer-surgery.html?smtyp=cur&utm_social_post_id=611783878&utm_social_handle_id=5281959998&smid=fb-nytimes

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Has this been shared? These pieces always reveal so much.

A person who takes exogenous hormones in quantities that are not natural in their sexed body will certainly experience SOME changes to their body. Only changes that their sexed body will accommodate.

And that person never changes sex category by taking the quantities of hormones that is typical for the opposite sex category.

A male person with some breast tissue development and fat redistribution is still a male person regardless of the amount of estrogen he takes. And will never go through menopause, regardless of whether he personally describes his situation as 'menopause' or not. He will also never have 'periods' even if he cycles progesterone and estrogen. And that breast tissue that he develops is never going to be the interactive feeding system that a female person has with her infant. Because in that regard, that breast is missing receptors etc that gives the mother's body the ability to adjust the milk supply for that infant.

There is nothing unnatural about my body. I won't be tokenising anyone else's body as a counter example to demonstrate your bias.

Not all trans people will find their bodies as receptive to exogenous hormones as others. There are those of us who do mature through Tanner stage 5, but it seems unlikely for a majority simply due to the age of initiating treatment related to epigenic limitations.

No one is saying HRT modifies the reproductive system, with the exception of the receptors that are present for whatever reason (I experienced changes over a few years that no one wants to hear about involving skin dekeratinisation.)

HRT can impact moods, digestion and um post-digestion, but I somewhat agree 'periods' are a bridge off to nowhere.

Both adoptive mothers and trans mothers use the Newman-Goldfarb protocol. There may be alterations required based on the maturity of the trans mother's breasts and hormone levels. But I know how sex realists feel about that.

All of this to say trans people are not simply 'normal' men or 'normal' women for the purposes of medicine. Bodies are modified and can be different, even amongst trans people, based on a lot of factors.

The demands and expectations here on mumsnet for medicine to treat trans women as men and trans men as women aren't helping anyone.

And yes, I also have no idea how a phone was carried through to the theatre. I agree with the poster who surmised that the patient was looking for something more than a recording of the procedure.

It's not "HRT" for you, mate. You have suffered no loss of hormones, to be replaced. You are adding hormones to your system, that was not created for them.

And don't pretend that the treatment for a woman who has not been pregnant and wishes to breastfeed, is the same for a man.

I've always had estrogen in my body. The HRT I began more than 40 years ago increased the levels. My HRT has been prescribed by dozens of GPs over the years and adapted for my age as required. Without HRT, my hormone levels would be solely based on those produced by my adrenal glands and maybe pituitary? I'm not 100% on that.

Sigh. Your oestrogen supplements are not replacing anything. Therefore it is not HRT. You never, naturally, had that amount of oestrogen. See? Words are important.

My HRT is sustaining the operation of my body in a medically measurable and normal functional way.

It is not "R". You are not replacing any hormones. You are adding hormones, because you are male.

No one is ‘tokenising’ anyone’s bodies here, mate. We are discussing material reality of body configurations.

Skin changes as well? Blimey!!!! So many changes ….and none of them makes you female in any way.

And way to go !!! You have again shown you lack any knowledge of what the fuck we are talking about in regards to female bodies. You know, the ones with breasts that are an interactive feedback system for their infants. You don’t even know what you are dismissing.

Male people producing a limited supply of secretion from their breasts has never been properly tested in regards to any drug interaction from any drug or hormone they have in their body. It has also been shown that the supply is not enough for an infant after a very short time. But this is beside the point.

The interactive feedback system that is controlled by a body designed to breast feed an infant is never going to be replicated by a male person unless they have an entire reproductive system implanted.

Just admit at this stage you don’t even know what you are talking about when it comes to breastfeeding a child. Yet, even there you venture an opinion based on no depth of knowledge at all.

Again, you are responding to statements I have not actually made.

No one changes sex, a man is still a man no matter what surgery he has or what hormones he takes. That's reality.

Fun fact - the level of testosterone in adult women of reproductive age is broadly similar to oestrogen, if not slightly higher. (Ranges obviously dependent on individuals and also their menstrual cycle).

So women have as much testosterone as oestrogen, if not slightly more. I’m considering asking for testosterone to be added to my HRT regimen, for Reasons. Will that make me a transman?

(spoiler, no it won’t, just a menopausal woman recognising the complex nature of her endocrine system and the role of testosterone in various bodily functions)

Based on the ways friends go shout from the rooftops about their own testosterone experiences, I'd agree that you'll probably be very happy.

That's your opinion, of course. It is shared by all sex realists.

There is nothing unnatural about my body.

Jocelyn Wildenstein was au naturel too. Apparently.

Totally natural.

If she's happy, why should her life choices matter to you as much as they apparently do? Is it a bullying thing?

She's dead.

Really? You mean this :

”trans mothers use the Newman-Goldfarb protocol. There may be alterations required based on the maturity of the trans mother's breasts and hormone levels.”

Isn’t you declaring that male people can breastfeed too?

I see.

Saying a male can breastfeed is not the same as saying a woman can breastfeed. And again, when male people make comments such as that, they really are showing their ignorance of what a female body does. That is what I am pointing out.

No. There should be no alterations done to any male person’s breasts. They simply lack the interactive feedback system that female people have with their children. As I said, it is very clear you know nothing about breastfeeding

I'm sorry for your loss. May her memory be for a blessing.

A female body? Isn't that just 'an expectant asshole and blank eyes'

Quoting vile misogynist TIM Andrea Long Chu.

Women are a hole, tits, hormones and a pretty face. If it's not pretty enough get surgery. And keep getting surgery until you look fab.

Just pray you went to Specsavers first, don't get a dodgy surgeon, have an addiction to surgery and completely fuck your face, self worth and finances up from being exploited along the way.

Apparently.

And apparently, male people can simply use a protocol of drugs etc to produce an untested substance that they should feel fully entitled to feed to infants…. from breasts that will never ‘mature’ the same way female breasts mature. But like menopause… near enough is apparently good enough in that if these male people get something they can call ‘breastfeeding’ happening … it is apparently good enough.

And people wonder why we raise huge red flags at male people simply declaring they are having female body processes, such as menopause, when they lost definitely are not.

No infant consents to having untested substances fed to them by a male person in thrall with experimenting with that infant’s welfare. But of course, someone who cannot understand consent or safeguarding will just continue to dismiss it.

And apparently skin changes.