Trans patient records medical team during cancer surgery

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www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/nyregion/transgender-patient-records-during-cancer-surgery.html?smtyp=cur&utm_social_post_id=611783878&utm_social_handle_id=5281959998&smid=fb-nytimes

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Has this been shared? These pieces always reveal so much.

Once more with feeling:

"Menopausal women are not trans men."

I'm reminded of Helen Joyce being interviewed, describing how she never thought that doing a maths PhD would lead to her having a job where the most complex argument she's most often called on to make is "some things are different from some other things".

I've not suggested they are. I've said presence or lack of sex hormones affect how body systems operate. I've also said changing sex hormone dominance will cause changes in how body systems operate. Men are not fans of the affects of estrogen dominance in their bodies. Women are not fans of the affects of testosterone dominance in their bodies. Trans people seek and accept the changes.

Menopause is not 'testosterone dominance'. Many women are also offered testosterone supplementation at menopause because levels drop.

Testosterone and oestrogen aren't necessarily inversely proportional in a woman's body - both can be lower than normal.

Christ, are they cosplaying menopause now? There aren't enough swear words.

What the hell?! In a middle setting you should want doctors to know your sex so you can get the right treatment. Having an F on your notes is entirely pointless if you're not alive to see it because you got the wrong dose of something, or the wrong medication for your body!

the thing is, the reports that i see where the most harm is caused is that of transmen not realising, or ignoring the fact, they are pregnant. And dying or coming close to death etc, because of that.

But, and this comes as no surprise to FWR regulars: who cares, right? Transmen are women and women can fend for themselves, they are not the point of all this.

It is not just about amounts of certain hormones, but about the body's natural predispostion towards them. Female bodies, for example, are not meant to be subjected to such large doses of testosterone. Male level doses actively damage a female body's function and health.Plenty of detransitioners say they were definitely not " fans" of some of these damaging effects on their body.

Oh yes, that's been going on for a while now. Back in.... early 2023 I think, I was working for the NHS and fighting them to get trans women's health problems taken out of their menopause policy 🙄

Fucking ridiculous.

Endocrine/ mental health problems were already adequately covered by the sickness and gender reassignment policies already. Its muddying the water to say we need a menopause policy to clarify that women might have certain needs - but then say that some men might also have those same needs.

The NHS !!🙄

Indeed. Hormone levels act, or don't, on existing body systems according to the sex of those systems.

A transman on testosterone still has female kidney filtration rates and will need a kidney transplant at female marker levels, not male ones. As at least one transman found out to her cost.

The immune system of a man taking oestrogen doesn't react in the same way as that of a woman. As they discovered when testing Covid treatments. Because women tend to get Covid less severely, there was a theory that oestrogen was a protective factor and they tried giving it as a treatment. It worked for women (both pre- and post- menopausal) but had no effect on men because their immune cells didn’t have the relevant oestrogen receptors.

Testosterone causes vaginal atrophy in women. It doesn't in men. I hope I don't need to explain why not.

I am so tired of what trans people take being called "HRT". It is not. It is not 'replacing' anything. It is Hormone Addition Therapy.

I've been prescribed estrogen for over 40 years. I'm still waiting for this fabled breakdown and feebleness sex realists keep telling the world trans women suffer. I am healthy with no chronic conditions.

And I never said it was. I said it was the body's systems adjusting to a lowering of estrogen levels (amongst other things).

Sure. But I don't believe testosterone dominant women are common, not even with PCOS (I'm not comparing women with PCOS to trans women either)

Everyone should support better menopause health and health care.

Everyone = all women.

Testosterone in such large doses is far more damaging for women's health than oestrogen is for men's.

Everyone has estrogen and testosterone receptors throughout their body based on their DNA. Hormones act upon and modify receptive body systems regardless of birth sex.

yes.

Would you like to provide evidence that male and female people have exactly the same number of estrogen and testosterone receptors throughout their body please? Because this is not what I have read recently.

I think testosterone is more damaging for anyone's health than oestrogen, but that's probably just my opinion.

Men are more likely to suffer from heart and circulatory issues. There are reproductive affects that can be countered through localised estrogen, as done for menopausal women. Baldness, hair distribution, lower voice and other male sex characteristics are to be expected and in most cases desired.

Estrogen is far more protective, I think. There were and are health issues involved as well, but I think that was partially due to the use of larger doses and synthetics vs bioidenticals. There are also dangers for bone density.

I didn't say "...exactly the same number..."

I said they are present.

Ok. Of course they are present. But if they are not in the same quantity and in the same organic and do the same thing, why is it relevant to mention that both sexes have receptors for estrogen and testosterone?

The outcomes are not going to be the same, are they?

Because a person switching their dominant sex hormone will experience sex-based changes based on the activation of those receptors both externally and internally. A Google search or medical literature search can provide as much detail as you wish.

Secondary sex based changes. Their actual sex never changes.

The receptors are present within organ systems and throughout lymphatic and circulatory systems. Hormonal affects are not just cosmetic.

You keep trying to kid yourself, mate.