How do navigate things with older/adult dc who are pro-trans ideology if you are not?

[Fancycrab]

Just wondering those of you who are GC and have teenagers or young adult dc who strongly support trans ideology, how do you navigate this? Do you just agree not to discuss it? Does it ever interfere with your relationship? My DD is still little but her dad, who I’m separated from is very pro trans rights and believes the whole gender ideology bollocks. I worry that he will brainwash DD into believing it too when she’s older and she’ll end up seeing me as the uncool, unprogressive one who just “doesn’t get it” 🙄

None taken.

No. They clarified the law as it already stood. Sex based rights.

Only one person lives in that world, Keating.

Quite. Let's keep it that way

Do you consider women discussing the needs of female people and excluding male people as being ‘anti-trans’ then OP?

Edited to eventually add: nevermind.

I just can't get my head around the logic of:

Trans identified males should have anything they want, because 'inclusivity'.

Biological Women (FAOD this does not mean trans women) must not be allowed anything for themselves, even language, as these males find it upsetting.

But this is not misogyny, oh no, anyway look, a squirrel.

Make it make sense.

I'm sorry, I cannot reconcile your beliefs with non sex realist beliefs.

Not everything in this thread is about you.

Prior to editing a last time, I edited to apologise for writing a response due to seeing my user name in your quote. I was mistaken. You post a lot to me, many times using the same post. I should have just left the apology. Thank you for continuing to teach me the ways of mumsnet.

And just like that, a helpful explanation of how GI beliefs aren't illogical nonsense appeared.

Oh, wait....

That is your belief.

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"...i do have respect for you for coming on here (which i’m sure you know is one of the most anti-trans sites on the internet!)"

I disagree. It's not an 'anti-trans' site. It's a pro-women site. Which appears to be very much needed at this moment in time thanks to certain men and their hand maidens who wish to ride roughshod over women's rights and safe spaces.

I guess some TRA's would believe it to be an 'anti-trans' site because us women are refusing to fall in with their beliefs and 'do as we're told'...💜💚

So, would you like to clarify what knowledge of safeguarding you have then that makes you believe that removing safeguarding measures that exclude all male people above the age of about 8 years old from female single sex spaces still provides strong safeguarding for female people?

Since it is apparently only my 'belief' and not safeguarding principles that I refer to? Maybe you should qualify in detail how safeguarding works when a group of the category of people that is excluded legitimately under law is then allowed access to? Please explain clearly how that works in a public setting along with the principles?

'Safeguarding' based on 'beliefs' is generally very weak. But please educate us so that we can see where we have let 'belief' interfere with the materially real principles and outcomes of safeguarding and consent.

I agree. At first I thought this comment from the OP was tongue-in-cheek but now I'm not so sure. Can you clarify please @Fancycrab ?

If you're being serious, have you popped over to Trans Reddit and posted your question there? Let us know the responses you've got.

Well considering my thread has been completely hijacked by a number of posters discussing something that doesn’t really relate to what I posted about, I think I can say what I want.

I’m pointing out @onepostwonder deserves respect for calmly discussing their POV. Most TRAs refuse to discuss or explain their POV. Instead they shut people down who don’t agree with them, cancel them and label them transphobes, so it’s refreshing being able to actually discuss this issue, however heated it gets. No progress can ever be made in society if people refuse to engage with others who don’t share their opinion. And I did actually post on Trans Reddit once, in a very respectful way, asking why TRAs people don’t like to discuss the issue and prefer to shut people down who question GI. The post got deleted by moderators before it could even be posted. Case in point.

What do you consider anti-trans about this site, OP?

I didn't say you couldn't say what you wanted.
I simply asked you to clarify what you meant by "anti-trans" because it's not clear. Particularly as you refer to "the whole gender ideology bollocks" in your opening post.

It seemed you were being tongue-in-cheek but now I am not sure. And you haven't actually answered that point.

You've had lots of people answer your original question on this thread. A lot of them have been open, heartfelt and honest.

But you prefer to centre the male person who has taken over your thread and talked about himself on points that don't at all relate to what you posted about.

Your choice to 'respect' that, obviously.

This is your belief.

They issued a comprehensive and considered judgment, taking into account the human rights of trans-identified people and of women. They concluded that in the Equality Act 2010 sex means sex, not "gender" or "gender identity". Therefore women's spaces are not for "transwomen". I have read the judgment from start to finish. It is clear and it is definitively the law. Removing women's rights by trying to trump them with transgender wishes or demands is illegal.

I thought it was particularly enlightening that the EA2010 is considered cancerous.

But it is remarkable also that any future political party will lobby to change it from its current clarity that female people can have provisions that fully excluded male people regardless of how those male people describe themselves. Considering the polling data shows that the majority of the population do not want this... but of course, that polling data is 'just a belief'....

I always appreciate the posters on here and on other platforms that give insights into the mind of a male person who feels fully entitled to describe himself as being female and all that entails, through their very own words and videos. The first time I saw it, I realised that I can never not see it again.

Possibly keeping quiet since it appears that the majority support GI? So support may actually be less than appears but people don't want to be cancelled, shunned etc by their friendship group. So everyone could be anti and pretending to be pro to keep in with everyone else!
I am GC. Outside my immediate family I never mention it or say what my opinion is, even to the extent of making sure I do not use my bag with GC symbols on it (dinosaurs hoarding rights and a suffragette ribbon among a selection of less contentious decorations) in certain situations and places! I am also careful with DD since she gets huffy (despite partner's brother being gay and GI being so homophobic!).

Considering it seems that some issues are sorted into 'anti' very easily.

What is interesting is that amongst my friends, many have teenagers and have become very aware of these issues. Because it does impact them and their family life, even indirectly. Through school, children's friends, sports, and work situations.

My teen was in a group of friends where 5 out of the 7 of them declared transgender identities. But even in my wider group of friends there are numerous families with teens with transgender identities.

No one that I know of is 'anti-GI' at all. Most of them are very well educated now on medicalised options for children and on the needs of female people of all ages and how these need to be prioritised. Including school toilets and changing rooms, and girl guides (including away events).

No one I know is 'anti-trans'.