"A woman who is trans"

[AllThisFuss]

I've been noticing this terminology creeping in. Just thought I might highlight it, so we can keep up to date with their ever-changing attempts to control language and muddy the waters. Have you seen any in the wild?

IndiaWilloughby
‪@indiawilloughby.bsky.social‬
Not a mention of the woman who’s trans, who did nothing wrong. This ruling is in direct conflict with the Gender Recognition Act. How is this happening? It is wrong on every level, and will be used to push trans people even further out of society and into danger

I don’t think some people understand that other people are not therapeutic resources for their use.

The current idealism that everyone should be kind is so oversimplistic and harmful. It really has produced an outcome where some people feel they have to be kind to their own detriment and some people have an expectation that the world should be kind to them without reciprocity. So, some male people now expect to receive kindness while that ‘kindness’ causes direct harm to others. That ‘kindness’ is only one way.

Worse, there has been this insidious move to create policy to coerce that particular kindness. Other people should never be therapeutic resources for others without consent. Yet, this entire construction of ‘don’t mention the truth even neutrally’ and be ‘kind’ is based on that concept. .

To echo the pp.

im not a support human for a man to use for validation.

I don’t want a man in women’s single sex spaces. The law says they can’t be there. Why do they have the right to break the law?

this behaviour is insidious and weakens women’s consent based protections across the board including against rape, everyone’s protection against stealthing and has no regard for the trauma and upset they cause.

@ThatOpalTurtle you've read a lot of testimony from posters setting out why they find it upsetting, alarming and a complete barrier to use when male persons intrude into female spaces.

You've expressed empathy and sorrow.

Can I ask, very simply, are you going to stop using them, now you know? Yes or no?

In my head, non-binary simply means ‘would prefer not to be seen through the lens of - or confined by - one’s biological sex’. It’s pretty much what every feminist has been arguing for from the beginning of time, isn’t it? And every gay and lesbian activist?

So it is about controlling other people?

You want other people to see you as not male and treat you in the way you believe women should be treated?

How does that fit with safeguarding? Why should men decide that they can hide their sex and ignore safeguarding?

For centuries women have not liked how we have been treated legally and socially by men. Women have worked really hard to change laws and what women can do and be socially. We know that we arent defined by these contraints -women is our sex, not roles imposed by men.

Can you see the irony of men saying they like the idea of being treated in these mainly male imposed contraints, and therefore a women is not sex, but a way to present and be treated?

But whether we like it or not, all of us do have one of two sexes, whether we like it or not. It's a fundamental part of the framework of who we are, but it should never be what defines us; and it should never be apologised for.

How does casting aside the idea of being an actual woman help to address injustice and misogyny - any more than we could end racism by pretending that black people aren't really black, or by suggesting that it is problematic and maybe in some way their own 'fault' that they are black?

Trans activists have been deliberately trying to upend long-held definitions and manipulate language, to control the agenda. Calling women such dehumanising language as 'menstruators', 'cervix havers', 'birthing person', 'non man' (as if man is the default) and 'front holes'. They will literally do everything and anything to avoid using the word 'woman' when it comes to health issues, but still use the word man when it comes to men's health issues like prostates.

Those who control the language, control the narrative. As Gobbels himself said. Now that people are starting to realise that a 'transwoman' is a fully intact male, they once again have to change tactics and use 'a woman who is trans'. They are continually on the run changing definitions each and every single time the public realise they are talking about fully intact males.

This isn't women's problem to solve for you or therapeutically help you with.

I honestly don't care what you do, any more than you care about what women do. Dress how you like, do what you like, whatever makes you happy. So long as you're not thriving by invading women's single sex spaces and using, excluding, distressing and harming women to make yourself happy, there's no issue. Leave women alone to be able to do a bit of thriving themselves, and crack on.

But a male cannot become a woman. So no, you didn't become a woman. You became a facsimile of the stereotype of women you think is accurate. You have no frame of reference of being a female, of being a woman. No growing from a girl into a woman, no periods, no males leering at you and whistling, no sexual assault or harassment (survey in Scotland shows 97% of all females have experienced sexual harassment). You have no idea how girls are socialised from childhood to prioritise males. You've been socialised as a male. You can no more 'understand' what it's like to be a woman than a heterosexual person can understand what it's like to be gay. You have no frame of reference to understand what it's like to be a woman, than a white person does to understand what it's like to be an African American.

For centuries women have not liked how we have been treated legally and socially by men. Women have worked really hard to change laws and what women can do and be socially. We know that we arent defined by these contraints -women is our sex, not roles imposed by men.

Can you see the irony of men saying they like the idea of being treated in these mainly male imposed contraints, and therefore a women is not sex, but a way to present and be treated?

Yep, for me this is key. It is so offensive. Women throughout history have been essentially enslaved by men, belittled, abused, treated as a resource rather than human beings. And now we've managed, in some countries, to free ourselves from the worst of that, some men think that we should be defined by our 'gender', the tool of our oppression? How dare men, how actually dare they?

What do you think a woman is?

If you could, describe what makes you feel like you are a woman, without relying on stereotypes.

Thank you to all the posters on here who have defended women so well. The topic is so exhausting but it's so important to defend our spaces.

You males are not being 'excluded' by being told you must use the appropriate single sex facility.

You think like a male with Male Entitlement. Women put others first, and wouldn't enter a space if it made the original space owners uncomfortable. The fact that you don't give a stuff how you affect others, only what you want, shows classic Male Entitlement and Male Pattern Thought Process. Even your thoughts and actions are dominated by your male socialisation.

They really think of themselves and centre only themselves. They never ONCE stop to think of the trauma, as well as the worry we women go through every time we have to fight for our rights. I've never seen such gaslighting and DARVOing of victimhood before. These males have made themselves the victims. They really think we don't worry?? ??

Only if you're working within the ideological confines of gender identity and its redefinitions of "woman" and "man".

But you DON'T have the right to enter female spaces, and you never did.

Females have the right to female spaces, which we always did.

You're taking our rights away, not the other way around. Why do your rights as the predator and oppressor sex class outweigh the rights of the vulnerable and oppressed sex class? Your Male Entitlement reeks through the screen. Women put themselves last. You, as a male, put yourself FIRST, and the rights of women last.

Further proof, were it needed (it's not) that these men may identify as us, but they never identify with us.

We're the props to their LARP and nothing more. Support humans.

You do. If you were born as the male sex, you have the right to a male sex based space.
If you were born as the female sex, you have the right to a female sex based space.

If you were born of the male sex, you never had the right to enter the female sex-bad space.

No it does not. It does not say males can be excluded from male spaces.

Show exactly where it says that about males.

No, we cannot 'live and let live' when a fully intact male is in our change rooms and battered womens shelters. We NEVER will. Rape survivors like me and trauma survivors CANNOT LET IT REST until our safe spaces are restored as female only single sex.

And you are confusing SEX (biological) with 'gender' - which is a man made, misogynistic social construct based on sexist stereotypes.

Yes, I think that is what I am trying to understand - I only believe in two sexes, and so ‘non-binary’ doesn’t exist beyond an ideological framework of ‘gender’.

I personally don’t subscribe to any notions of gender but accept my life is framed by the biological reality of being a woman. I can kind of understand why young women might want to evade the consequences or social restrictions that flow from being a biological woman, though, and I think that before all the GI/trans nonsense they would have framed this within feminist theory. I think it’s deeply sad that language has changed and GI has polluted the discussion of what it means to be a woman and how we might work to change society to support us, rather than erode our existence entirely.

I think it’s deeply sad that the way language and GI has polluted the discussion of what it means to be a woman and how we might work to change society to support us, rather than erode our existence entirely.

Well said @CautiousLurker2 . Pollution of the discussion is right. And something tells me it wasn't accidental.

You male skeleton from your male jawbone, voice, right down to gait gives it away even if you aren't a hulking giant.

And if you lived a normal quiet life, you would STAY OUT of female only single SEX spaces, like many other transwomen manage to do with no problem, showing if you aren't an AGP and don't get off on womens discomfort, it can be done. Going into a space that was never designed for you, that you never had permission to enter, is you throwing your self-centred Male Privilege and Male Socialisation and Male Entitlement around. By entering those spaces, you are looking for a fight. The exact opposite of a normal quiet life. You are daring us, tormenting us, and looking for trouble.

Actual medical studies show that in women get it right telling a male from a female 96% of the time. It is hardwired into us as an instinct for survival. But it's no surprise that as a male who doesn't have this instinct, you don't understand it so call women liars.

And if you think a woman choosing flight instead of fight and not letting on we recognise you as a male means you 'passed' and that is your 'experience proving we can't', you are beyond delusional and really, really don't understand female self-preservation.

If you're a male that enters a female space doing so knowing you don't have our consent and have no right to be there, then only one inference can be made.