"A woman who is trans"

[AllThisFuss]

I've been noticing this terminology creeping in. Just thought I might highlight it, so we can keep up to date with their ever-changing attempts to control language and muddy the waters. Have you seen any in the wild?

IndiaWilloughby
‪@indiawilloughby.bsky.social‬
Not a mention of the woman who’s trans, who did nothing wrong. This ruling is in direct conflict with the Gender Recognition Act. How is this happening? It is wrong on every level, and will be used to push trans people even further out of society and into danger

No, there isn't a difference. Firstly, you clearly think with Male Pattern thought process and Male Entitlement. You haven't once, not once, acknowledged that you could be making women and girls feel uncomfortable. Not once have you ever thought about anyone but yourself. Classic Narcissism and Male Entitlement.

Secondly, less than 8% become 'fully transitioned' - and by that I am assuming you are referring to removing your male genitals. So almost none of you do it anyway.

Thirdly, how are we supposed to know if you have or haven't?

Fourthly, your voice, height, gait etc and other tells will still traumatise a woman like me. But you don't give a f(ck, do you? You only care about what you want. Transitioning certainly hasn't removed your Male Entitlement and Male Pattern thought process has it?

Lastly, you don't have the vital lived experience of growing from a girl to a woman, getting periods, being whistled at, being sexually objectified as a teenage girl, being groped. You have ZERO lived experience of the female sex, of girls, of being a teenage girl with periods. WHY do you think, therefore, that you should have a 'right' to enter a space where the female sex; flee to the ladies to escape a men. Where we cry. Seek help. We miscarry there. We change out at the sinks to go clubbing. Where we wash blood-stained underwear at the sink, and baby sick off our blouses. Where we are in a semi state of dress to completely naked. Why do you feel you have a 'right' to breach that sacred safety, privacy and dignity of the female sex, if it's not to 'get off' on seeing us in that state?

Well it's good that you at least acknowledge that. Unfortunately men will always have female enablers in their family. Who are 'beingkind', and because they know you. The problem is, they know you, so have no problem with you there, but we don't know you. I think these enablers think of the nicest man they know, and imagine all transwomen are like that. But we know they are not. And even if they all were, we need a female only space for privacy and dignity away from the male gaze, not just safety.

@ThatBlackCat was thinking today that no man can ever truly understand what it is to be a woman unless he, like I did yet again today, has unwittingly given himself a pantyliner-induced semi-Brazillian when pulling his knickers down to pee. [Ouch] Have had to wear them for decades due to irregular periods/spotting and postpartum bladder weakness… neither of which a man who purports to be a woman can ever experience.

Yeah, it reminds me of those who enter the singing comps like American Idol, Australian Idol. Some of the really, really out of tune, woeful terribly bad singers that we all laugh at. We all wonder why they didn't have family who loved them enough to tell them they can't sing, to protect them from getting hurt on tv. Instead, they lie and tell them they can sing, and it's so cruel! The person makes a fool of themselves and are laughed at and around the world on YouTube clips saved for posterity for ever more on the internet. If these families loved their family member enough to tell them the truth, they wouldn't be in this situation. Tough love is needed.

My OH used to use this kind of thinking. Saying he had been a transwoman during the process of getting hormones and going through surgery, but that now he was “fully transitioned “ he was now just a woman.

This kind of thinking is so self centred and gives no consideration to actual biological women and their well being. This kind of appropriation erases the identities of actual women, as now thankfully defined in the EA2010, and introduces confusion and obfuscation.

We now have a very clear definition of woman and it is biological. You are biologically a man and always will be. I’m not saying that to be unkind but it is not kindness to deny reality and you can only find real contentment if you accept the truth.

There is a perfectly good word to describe a man who identifies as a woman. It is transwoman. Use that.

You didn’t become a woman. That was not your journey.

So has life not changed because you never used women’s single sex spaces before, or are you just now unashamedly breaking the law by continuing to use them?

I prefer non cis man. It says the exact truth in genderist language.

Yes I like that. It’s clear and truthful and I allows a person to express their own idea of themselves while making very clear their sex. I need to stop trying to be so nice, it’s a hard habit to break after years of not being allowed to speak freely.

I saw a person recently in a women's loo at a cafe and instantly thought, "male". It was an older teenager, with longish hair and baggy EMO clothes, under which I really couldn't tell what type of body they had. I looked discreetly as they were drying their hands, and thought, "Hmm, maybe I'm wrong and it really is a rather ugly girl." But later, I saw this person in the food queue, talking to someone with blue hair (of course) and the voice was definitely male.

I don't know how I knew immediately that they were male, when I couldn't identify which cues gave it away, but I did know. I didn't challenge him and neither did anyone else, so perhaps he thinks he passes...

Were those studies inclusive of trans women that are on hormone replacement therapy?

What hormones are they replacing?

Hormone replacement? Really?

Blimey, what changes do you think taking estrogen does to a male body?

Grow breasts? Well so does being over weight and several medical conditions.

Softer skin, so I have heard? Yeah… doubt that removes male body cues to any degree.

Redistribution of fat? No… male bodies come with many versions of fat distribution.

What is it that you believe will be shown by studies with male people on estrogen supplements? And again, this brings us back to the question : what is the difference between a male person taking estrogen for a medical condition vs one taking estrogen for identity purposes.

How about instead of firing ‘whataboutery’ at us, you start providing evidence links yourself if you don’t know something or you disagree?

Or indeed answer the question about whether he's continuing to use women's spaces.

But I suspect the lack of answer IS the answer.

So you don’t think replacing testosterone with estrogen does anything? You don’t think your dominant sex hormone is responsible for the development of female characteristics?

How about you answer my question first?

What changes do you think taking estrogen does to a male body?

Please, be very specific so that we can all learn from your post.

"You don’t think your dominant sex hormone is responsible for the development of female characteristics?"

mmm.... You realise that female bodies and male bodies have different coding when estrogen is available to use in the body....

I doubt very much that a male body has any chance of 'developing' a uterus and ovaries upon that male person taking exogenous oestrogen into their body. Because that is exactly what happens in utero when a female embryo is exposed to estrogen. Then that oestrogen in the female body allows those sex characteristics to mature and hopefully produce ova and then go through a menstrual cycle.

Again... not something that a male body will ever 'develop'.

So, apart from male breast development,

What changes do you think taking estrogen does to a male body?

I think that this poster will do what they do regular and simply try a weak distractive tactic.

Either that, or perhaps it will turn out like other times where some male people have such limited knowledge that they think that growing male breasts is somehow developing female sex characteristics. Rather than understanding that male breasts are not female breasts. And that many male people develop breast tissue for various reasons. Do you remember the breast feeding threads where male people confidently tell us that male people's breast are 'exactly' like female breasts? When they have no fucking clue about the very necessary and life saving ability for the female breast to interact with their infant and make changes to the milk that is being fed to the infant. Something that a male breast can never do.... But apparently, we are the ignorant ones.

Either way, I look forward to a definitive list of changes to make male sex characteristics uniquely female once a male person takes estrogen because so far no one has produced that list.

What is the dominant sex hormone for a man?

Or is it the lack of erections that signifies that a male person on estrogen has developed female sex characteristics???

I am looking forward to learning just what that hormone does that makes a male person develop 'sex characteristics' that are uniquely female.

What about taking any sort of hormone gives anyone, regardless of sex or gender, the right to break the law?

If I go on HRT, what laws can I break? Is that written on the packets for me?

I don't think you understand HRT does 1 hundredth of f all. It does not change your skeletal structure. It does not change your voice. It does not erase your adams apple. It does not give you hips. It does not shorten your height or limb length. It does not change your pelvic bone hence change your gait. It does not change your broad shoulders. It does not change your square male jaw. It does not change hand and feet size. HRT does absolutely fuck all but give you man boobs. That's it.

What did you possibly imagine HRT would do? Because it does not change your appearance or body in the slightest, bar boobs.

Evidence shows it does not shrink your bones or any male features, no.

Did you genuinely think it did???? Didn't anyone explain to you it really does absolutely nothing?