Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

Can you please define “trans inclusive”?

What do you mean by trans inclusive ?

Basically just saying that you don’t demonise the trans-community as a whole. You don’t have to be completely in support of everything and obviously people shouldn’t have to feel unsafe.

Me. Until someone proves by their actions that they don't deserve respect, then I respect them.

That goes for everyone.

I have absolutely no problem with trans men being in women's spaces. Does that make me trans inclusive? If not, why not?

Yes, I absolutely include transmen in female spaces, and trans people as a whole in everything that's open to anyone.
I just expect things that are separated by sex to stay that way.

I absolutely am, but choose not to enter some of the insipid echo chambers that I often see on here.

What does that mean?

No i dont demonise anyone however i will never support anything to do with the cult of gender ideology nor will I respect anyone who demands I give up my rights for the wants of men with special identities

I think trans people have taken a long, adventurous, and difficult journey from one gender to another. Not only is it a huge biological journey - different hormones and body parts - it is a huge cultural journey. I think everyone should give these brave travelers as much support as possible.

I do think that things like child abuse, which trans ideology supports, should be demonized actually.

I’m shocked that anyone on a feminism board would support child abuse!

I've just snorted tea down my nose

I don't really care what people choose to do with their bodies/how they present. And I fully empathise with people who experience body dysmorphia, which is a recognised mental illness. I imagine it feels horrible if your body feels wrong to you.

I just also believe in single sex spaces and I am against the idea that anyone can 'identify' as a woman. You are a woman because you are, and because of the collective experiences you share with other women due to both your biology and socialisation. I don't like feeling forced to accept that a trans woman is the same as a natal woman, because they are not, and I think it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise. But having said that, I don't have an issue calling Elliot Ella, providing Ella is not trying to gain access to my spaces. That does not change Ella's Biology, either.

I just think the whole trans thing is harmful to everyone and enforces gender stereotypes. Just be a guy who likes to wear dresses and make up. Be a girl who likes short hair and wearing suits. Gender dysphoria will always exist, and the treatment for that may always be surgery/hormones (alongside psychological support), but otherwise I just want to live in a world where people can be who they want to be without it affecting sex based rights, which exist for a reason.

I am also against surgery etc for those under 18.

Oh superb my favourite type of thread….I am absolutely not trans inclusive, I have no time for a dangerous cult which supports the mutilation of children’s bodies.

Furthermore women should not be bullied and made to accept that a man can say he is a woman, when he is quite clearly actually a fruitcake.

I actually like fruitcake, I do not like men pretending to be women

I understand Huge Biological Journey.

But Huge Cultural Journey?

The way it's been explained is they're already that gender, it's just their body doesn't align with that.

So surely it's no cultural journey at all if they're already the gender they are biologically Huge Journeying to?

Help me out, please.

I know trans people. I’m polite to my dc’s trans friends and friends children who think they were born in the wrong body - do I think they have changed sex? Of course not - that would require me to believe in stuff I don’t believe in and k ow is nonsense. So trans inclusive ‘yes’ but I don’t think that’s what you mean is it?

I'm definitely trans inclusive. I'm also gender critical. These positions aren't mutually exclusive.

I want trans people to have rights, to not be discriminated against and to partake in all aspects of socieity.

I don't want trans people using facilities that are provided specifically for the opposite sex. So, no transwomen in single sex female spaces, sports, changing rooms, etc.

Why can't we live like that, it's not so hard is it OP?

How are you defining trans inclusive?

Do you mean trans people should be able to live as freely as anyone else in society and not be discriminated against?

Or do you mean men should have access to women's spaces, sports and services just because they want it?

Yes, I’m a trans-inclusive feminist. I avoid the feminist threads on MN because they’re dominated by trans-exclusionary feminists.

It depends what you mean by trans inclusive.

My attitude is very simple - I am happy to... identify someone, name them, treat them, refer to them, etc... as whatever they want provided it causes no harm to anyone else. It's just politeness IMHO. Whatever they want to be called, identify as, whatever physical steps they have taken from none to full transition, I don't care, I'll treat them however they like.

BUT, the moment their life choices start to negatively impact other people, I have an issue with it. Until science proves otherwise, I believe men who transition to women have physical advantages which make trans female participation in female sport unfair on cis women. I am against that.

When having trans women in female public spaces like toilets or changing rooms makes cis women feel unsafe, it is wrong IMO. I am against that.

And I am 10000000% against allowing children to begin to transition. This is a decision which should be taken as an adult. There should be no child transitions allowed. I am against that.

So, whether the first paragraph is enough for me to be trans-inclusive, or whether the caveats mean I am not trans-inclusive, I will leave up to others to decide. I quite honestly don't care which camp people want to put me in.

If by "trans inclusive" you means male trans people should be allowed to access female single sex spaces.services and sports, then no i don't agree with that because women and girls have the right to some female spaces in certain circumstances.

Ah it's that time again when during the wee small hours visitors from Reddit/ameruca/aus post nonsense goady threads 🙄

bonus points if the OP never reappears after page 1

...or the thread overheats rapidly, gets deleted and the posters who are here in the daytime miss everything!