Well this was totally predictable

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Woman identifying as a man is 'raped in all-male psychiatric ward' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15461027/Transgender-man-raped-male-psychiatric-hospital-ward-court-hears.html?ito=native_share_article-bottom

Shame on these men and shame on the NHS for placing this poor women directly in the hands of predators.

Its not rape, its a serious sexual assault and there's no chance of pregnancy even from such horrific acts, also thats not the sort of thing women even in jail tend to do to each other, despite the claims of some MRA

I don't think anyone really knows about the true atrocities that actually go on in prison, unless you've been or have 24hr surveillance.

There is no chance of pregnancy in male on male rape either, or when a man rapes an 82 year old woman, or someone who is infertile, so I'm not sure why that is relevant in determining the definition of rape.

US class it as rape and I'm inclined to agree. I wonder how other countries define the term.

Thats not rape its serious sexual assault.
Rape requires an actual penis and unlike serious sexual assaults rape comes with the added risks of stds and pregnancy which is why rape is a separate crime.
So no women dont rape and the sorts of crimes that that poster described are not female pattern crime and are really really rare to the point that there's never been a gang serious sexual assault on a woman in a Scottish prison carried out by women (the biological kind). Yes there has been a small number of sexual assaults that's have been committed by individual women, however most SSAs and all rapes in women's prisons in Scotland are committed by male guards and/or the men with special identities allowed into those prisons.

There may not always be the risk of pregnancy but there is the risk of STDs with rape unless a condom is used.
I know that the MRA line is women rape too and that womens crimes are as bad as mens but its not true and really unhelpful/problematic when people repeat the lie that women rape too as an excuse for males raping women

(Off thread in a way that feels disrespectful, but the podcast Banged Up was a good insight into the UK prison experience. I only remember one episode about women’s prison though).

FFS not this whataboutery again 🤦‍♀️

Yes, women can be aggressors/abusers/attackers/paedophiles. We know this. But the number of them is vanishingly low compared to men. The degree of male violence, including sexual, against women (and other men) is off the scale compared to female violence.

This article really highlights the absolute necessity to protect women’s spaces from men. End of.

Why on earth is it an excuse for males raping women? I didn't even remotely suggest that. That is some seriously twisted thinking on your part.

I think a serious sexual assault by women on a woman is an experience that shouldn't be minimized.
However, I don't see how the experience in US prisons is relevant for UK psychiatric wards.

The lack of capacity is one of the issues that will be considered by the court. If these men did not lack capacity then that also suggests at that point they no longer needed to be in a secure psychiatric ward and should have been released.

And I'm guessing nobody at the NHS will be held liable for this.

That's a non sequitor. Someone who has the capacity to know right from wrong and to choose between them might also have sufficient psychiatric issues that they need to be sectioned. Not all psychiatric issues lead to having zero such capacity. If their doctors had assessed them as having no such capacity the trial wouldn't be happening - it's been 3 years since the incident there has been plenty of time for such an assessment to be submitted and the trial cancelled if there was any doubt as to capacity.

Horrific.

99% of all.sexual assault committed by males.

I'm unconvinced it's necessary to describe sexual assault in graphic detail.

Lots of trials happen where the accused is found to lack mental capacity by the judge. The trial still happens.

I'll be fucked if I'm "owning" the rape of a biological woman by biological men.

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Great job, progressives. Really excellent work 😕

The judge has said the hospital is not on trial here. They fucking well should be.

The EDI department who no doubt spent public money on training from Stonewall or their ilk, the exec who signed off on captured policies, the clinical staff who risk assessed this by ideology not reality (though likely they'd be risking their jobs if they tried to object), they should all be on trial.

I think you need a rest from all those mental gymnastics.

This is horrific, and the TRA’s and their allies will still find someway to justify it. This madness needs to stop. Humans cannot change sex, and their sex matters.

The "terf" position is that single sex facilities matter because men rape women. Here we were once again proven right, and you deserve a medal for your absolutely insane mental gymnastics 🎖

Also, this shouldn’t be happening in schools because we shouldn’t be lying to children. We shouldn’t be telling them they can change sex. We should be supporting them with their mental health.

So you think the hospital was correct to place this woman in a ward with behaviourally disinhibited men who possibly lack capacity in their decision making? And then claim it is the fault of women on here, who say her sex must be recognised in safeguarding, that she was raped??? Do you really believe the outcome would have been different if a woman who didn’t identify as a man was placed in the situation instead?

Can you provide evidence to back up your claim that trans people, not working as prostitutes, in the general population are at a higher risk of rape than women?

Actually this woman was raped because the idiots in charge respected her gender identity and out her in a male ward. You have said before no one can tell who is trans, and women would never be able to tell the difference between a man and a woman claiming a trans identity. So how did these men know? Surely that kind of blows your argument about no one being able to tell out of the water doesn’t it?

No this was a male psychiatric ward that this poor woman was put on and it was men who raped her!
No woman on this board is saying what she went through doesn't count.
This is a man's crime committed by men and facilitated by the woke NHS putting that woman on a ward that matched her gender identity this is nothing to do with terfs