Well this was totally predictable

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Woman identifying as a man is 'raped in all-male psychiatric ward' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15461027/Transgender-man-raped-male-psychiatric-hospital-ward-court-hears.html?ito=native_share_article-bottom

Shame on these men and shame on the NHS for placing this poor women directly in the hands of predators.

Actually maybe this thread should be deleted if it's an ongoing trial? I'm not sure of the rules around that.

Nah, it’s fine. You should have seen the Lucy Letby threads. Discussing what is in the news is totally legit.

I hope you reported the transgender hate posts

How so? Because they say women can rape? Is applying equality in this situation sensible?

Not at all. Your rape laws are too general and include sexual assault. Ours are precise. I'd see why TRAs would hate that, there is no way of obfiscating or gaslighting who is doing the rapes. 100% men

This wasn't in the US. Your confidently-stated "statistics" don't apply here.

No one deserves to be raped.

But if they were all detained on a psych hold, surely they don't have capacity to be held responsible for the rape as they were not of sound mind and she can't consent as not of sound mind.
The staff are pathetic and so beholden to trans ideology that they have put this woman in danger. An entirely predictable outcome:
men rape.
And whilst many women would like to identify out of the misogyny and the objectifying of men, seems they can't and actually are identified as a woman quite quickly and treated by men as men collectively treat women, identity or not.

if they were all detained on a psych hold, surely they don't have capacity to be held responsible for the rape as they were not of sound mind

Maybe, but not necessarily. It is possible to be a sufficient danger to yourself or others to merit detention, without necessarily lacking control of or insight into your actions. Without knowing their specific diagnosis and a capacity assessment we can't know whether they could be legally responsible for their actions.

The violence that females experience is overwhelmingly a) from men and b) is sexual c) happens in private spaces. This profile is different from the type of violence that males experience which is a) from men (i.e the same sex) b) physical (non-sexual) and c) in public.

The important difference between this is that females are the equivalent strength of a 12 year old boy. This does not change when they transitition. Therefore if they are attacked THEY DO NOT HAVE THE STRENGTH OR SPEED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES OR ESCAPE

Putting a female on a ward with violent and behaviorly inhibited males does not pass any type of risk assessment based in reality.

The victim bears no responsibility for her attack. The responsibility is the fault of the rapists AND the risk assessors.

This, exactly.

This is one of the most harrowing articles I’ve read in a while. And so upsetting.

I work on NHS secure units and this crime should have been totally preventable. “Short staffed” is NOT an excuse. I agree this patient should have been admitted to a female only ward for their safety.

“The alleged victim claims they told Thomas they did not want sex, and staff did not help them after the attacks.”

THE STAFF DID NOT HELP THEM AFTER THE ATTACKS

Safeguarding training is mandatory in the NHS, though in my hospital it’s pretty useless e-learning, I don’t know about others obviously. But it’s clear these staff didn’t have a clue. That poor woman.

Just because a person is sectioned under the Mental Health Act, does not* *automatically mean a person does not have capacity.

Only a person that has had a specific assessment under the Mental Capacity Act and does not meet the criteria to have mental capacity, can be deemed as lacking capacity.

These men can absolutely be held responsible for this crime. Even if they don’t have mental capacity, they can still be found guilty and convicted. I have known many patient detained in hospitals to be charged for crimes, as this is my line of work. Sorry not having a go at you, just explaining.

And I very much agree that the NHS as a whole is so beholden to trans ideology, it’s absolute madness.

Oh God. That poor soul.

I can't speak for England, but in Scotland you can be held responsible for rape even if you lack the capacity to understand or care about the impact of your actions on others. That's what happened to Richard Snaddon from Fife.

[ETA He had the capacity to understand that he should not have done it.]

I believe that he's in an institution for the criminally insane sine die. The first article refers to the original verdict for his second crime. I remember the case because it happened in my area.

For some reason, the articles that were available online have largely disappeared.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4268146.stm

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/NEVER+LET+HIM+OUT%3B+Serial+rapist+a+killer+in+the+making.-a0136490309

No, rape in women’s prisons is usually carried out by male staff members.

Once again it’s women bearing the consequences. So fucking sick of it. Shame on the medical staff who placed that female in the male ward with such depraved individuals.

A previous poster said that women rape using objects and fists. I believe them.

The US prison experience is pretty different to that in the UK, thankfully.

A woman can still be convicted of rape if she actually participates in enabling it eg holding a victim down while a man does the actual penetrating.

But as the post you are replying to states: in the UK it's only rape if a penis is involved. Penetration with objects/fists is sexual assault.

This.

That is very good to know that legally they can be held accountable. Thank you @xSnowFairyx