Well this was totally predictable

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Woman identifying as a man is 'raped in all-male psychiatric ward' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15461027/Transgender-man-raped-male-psychiatric-hospital-ward-court-hears.html?ito=native_share_article-bottom

Shame on these men and shame on the NHS for placing this poor women directly in the hands of predators.

Which ward would you have placed the victim on considering that the wards were single sex in this instance?

The staff members should be up for assisting the rape.

A vulnerable women has been raped, precisely because she's a woman and some people are more worried about her being misgendered?

This really shows that trans ideology is rotten to the core.

Others may have said this but please be warned: this is a live case so there should be no speculation about what happened. It could cause the case to collapse.

Exactly.

They are blind to the reason why single sex facilities came about because they don't want to see it.

Rape carries the additional risk of pregnancy.

I genuinely don't know how to talk to people who believe this nonsense

"misgendering is literal violence you bigots!!!"

no rape is literal violence

On Reddit there's been a thread with a TIF preparing for a psych in-patient stay and insisting on a male ward. I hope she sees this and thinks again.

Appalling beyond words. Whoever allowed this should be prosecuted as an accessory to rape.

The reason that things like this are happening is precisely because people like you don’t recognise the reality and immutability of biological sex.

The hospital should be called to account but per the article, at least one member of staff wasn’t aware of the victim’s sex.

If I was a member of staff on a psychiatric ward and I didn’t know a woman had been admitted to a male ward, I’d be considering what action I could take against the hospital. In this instance the poor victim was raped but she should never have been there in the first place and if the (insane) procedures say she should, then at the very very least the staff should have been able to do their best to keep her safe.

Even typing that out reinforces the insanity and cruelty of the situation that comes about when people are told it is ‘kind’ or ‘affirming’ to pretend people are the opposite sex.

How could this woman ever have been kept safe from a rapist on the ward? How can the staff on the floor possibly do their jobs with this madness being imposed on them?

I hope this post isn't deleted. It should remain as an instructive insight into trans rights rhetoric.

We don't need to constantly quote the post that's not engaging with anything any of us have said.

Speaking generally, there are always posters who come into threads about rape to totally derail them.

My focus is the process that led to this happening, accountability and how policies could be put in place to prevent, or lower the risk of, rapes in future.

It would be great to discuss that, instead of another thread of what FWR is like.

What Arabella said.

Bearing in mind this, of course! Speculation re the perpetrators is likely to be unhelpful.

A vulnerable woman who says she's a man gets placed in a locked ward with disturbed men.

The NHS claim that 'no rape happened' if a man on a ward ID'd as female.

Rapists are sent to women's jail.

Under the Scotgov's interpretation of the law, a pregnant woman would lose maternity protections if she identifies as a man.

Genderism is not only absurd, it has real, horrifying outcomes that destroy the lives of women, especially vulnerable women.

Misgendering on this thread

’woman’, ‘she’, ‘her’ and ‘female’ refer to sex. Posters on here are using such language in accordance with their meaning in society. We are not believers in trans ideology so do not use faith-based language concerning ‘gender’. No one is ‘misgendering’ because no one is referring to ‘gender’.

And the trans experience. If sex=gender then no-one would be trans.

I think it is important to recognise that there is a specific type of assault that is only possible to be done with a penis. An assault that can only ever be committed by one of the two human sexes, and one that is deeply bound up with aspects of male self image and male cultural history.

If we pretend none of that is relevant, we lose the ability to fully understand rape.

In E&W. Scotland has dutifully changed rape laws to include surgically created pseudo penises attached to women.

@ArabellaScott I agree it should be left up. It's the most bizarre twisted post I've ever seen.

It's absolutely sickening.

But. This is the risk (potential outcome) when TRA's ABSOLUTELY INSIST that a women who believes she is a man and a man who believes he is a woman are placed in the sex spaces of their ideology and not placed in sex spaces based on their biological sex.

And this will continue ad infinitum whilst all the TRA's and their supporters insist that a man can be a woman and woman can be a man. It won't ever change until this ideology is called out for what it is.

I feel so sorry for that poor woman who was raped. The safe guarding appears to have been non existent and the fact that whom ever it was who sanctioned her being placed with biological men, could be thinking one of three things:

a) clearly believes that a woman can be a man and a man can be a woman or was completely sucked into her belief. A TRA or a supporter of.

b) 'yep, place her with the men...this'll teach her to think she can change sex...'.

c) 'fine, [sigh] if you think you're a bloke,...put her in with the men'...

Whichever one it is, it's utterly appalling as safe guarding has completely gone out of the window in all 3 scenarios.

I am reminded of an oil company that investigated an accident. It turns out loads of people saw it was an accident waiting to happen but no one raised it as everyone assumed someone else would or that it must have been approved higher up the chain or command. They changed the culture completely and now it is a disciplinary offence not to report a safety risk if you see one (including down to the level of someone walking up stairs carrying something such that they don’t have a hand free to put on the bannister). The NHS seems to have implemented the exact opposite.

I would argue that it is more 'up to date' to have clear legislation that describes penile penetration without consent. It does not prevent the prosecution of other offences.

Even allowing for the fact that women are convicted for sex abuse, overwhelmingly, the perpetrators are men.

I learned yesterday that the age of consent doesn't apply in California as long as the parents have given permission for the abuser to marry the victim, but under 18 year olds can't get a divorce. Attempts to end child marriage are opposed by Planned Parenthood and the ACLU. My impression is that the US has quite a long way to catch up.

Given it's the same people proposing teen girls should go into make facilities it absolutely is.