Glinner Bullseye comment on X

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Always trying to explain Glinner to DH, today he showed me on X JD Vance defending murder of the woman by ICE. Glinner had replied something like 'bullseye', as in agreement. I tried to comprehend with "satire?" but he said no he's on Liz truss show these days. I said well he's always been about protecting women and children, he's not suddenly supporting femicide, but the post convinced DH otherwise. Any insights? I'm not on social media

posts graphic nudes of young people he says are trans kids

I asked upthread where he's getting these "graphic nudes" from, because they don't appear on hard disks by magic. You didn't answer. I also asked for evidence that he is doing it. You didn't answer.

You have accused Glinner of intimate image abuse (IIA). IIA is a criminal offence in the UK, so if you have evidence, you should inform the police. I believe that the Met is the appropriate force in cases where the victim is known to reside in the UK but the reporter isn't sure exactly where.

If you don't have evidence, I suggest that you request that MNHQ delete your posts that contain that accusation, as they almost certainly constitute actionable defamation.

I'll despise Glinner for what he demonstrably has done, but not for what are, so far, unsubstantiated allegations of intimate image abuse.

JK Rowling upset domestic violence campaigners when she hired Johnny Depp. She bought his yacht!

She treated a man who was acquitted in court as innocent for the purposes of employment and commerce.

I don't know enough about the Woody Allen case to comment.

All the men who hang around schools, repost far right content?

Please evidence that assertion. Has there been a study into what men who hang around schools post on social media? Do you know all these men personally to have asked them? That's a prime example of an unevidenced, hyperbolic statement that is intended solely to smear people.

Donald Trump ffs! 20+ sexual assault accusations!

The US electorate voted for a President, not a prom date for their daughters. How he behaves towards the women close to him has zero impact on everyone else in the US. By removing men from women's prisons and changing rooms, Trump has prevented sexual assaults throughout the US.

I remember, when Clinton abused his power to have an affair with intern Monica Lewinsky, Nina Burleigh wrote: "I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their Presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs."

Voters on the left and the right really don't care what POTUS does personally as long as he delivers whilst in office.

It was Dworkin who said that feminism means defending the rights of all women, even the ones you don't like.

Not debating that for a second. I was just saying that it's interesting that the mechanism for defending those rights legally seems to currently involve describing any woman who doesn't want to share a changing room with a bloke as holding "gender critical beliefs". That includes two corners of the triangle, the one that was originally called gender critical beliefs and the one that used to be called gender conservative beliefs. Of /course/ all women should be protected, whatever the mechanism is. However the belief is named, it's shared by nearly everyone, including many trans-identifying people if you dig into the details with them.

So she bought the yacht before the divorce?

How dare she not be able to predict the future?

I don't believe a word from @TransParentlyAnnoyed's keyboard from now on, they've told so many outright lies and made so many unevidenced accusations, which they haven't substantiated when challenged.

Do think one of the issues might be that when people raise genuine concerns about the left, the left refuse to listen or engage with those concerns? And instead deflect that those raising the concerns are the problem?

@CCTVwatcher @TheKeatingFive

On why Trump beat the Democrats ( twice ).
Pretty much this entire thread is an answer to that.
There is a certain type of person who lets their emotions run so far out of control that everything is sexist, everything is racist, one bit of bad behaviour out of a person and they are beyond redemption, have anything whatsoever to do with a "bad" person and that makes you a bad person too.
Trump is just as rich as the elites on the Left, but he understands the little guy far more. The Left deals with the little guy by cancelling them and telling them to shut up, Trump courts them.
The Left calls Trump and Trump supporters stupid, but Trump and Trump supporters won. He's smart enough to get enough votes. How dumb does that make his opponents look if they are calling him stupid?
The blaming everything on isms and phobias e.g @WowFantastic 's post, is pure head in the sand emotional screeching at what they see as an unfair world.
I saw a beautifly simple definition of mental health from a nurse many years back when Trump first won. Her definition was "the ability to deal with change". Seems spot on to me.
Kamla's for they/them, Trump is for you. Fukking genius. Even the strategists on the Left had to acknowledge it hurt Kamala badly. Kamala just had nothing. "Opportunity Economy" isn't every economy an opportunity economy? She was a vacuous candidate with nothing inside. "What can be unburdened by what has been" it's just a nice sounds word salad that means nothing. Now we really are unburdened by the has beens.

It's like they learned nothing from Bigotgate.

Are people only just realising this guy is a knob?

Are people only just realising that being a knob isnt illegal?

Graham isn’t a “ knob” he is a man who has done a great deal to help women retain their hard won rights, he unfortunately does get carried away with daft and sometimes ignorant comments , and I certainly don’t agree with a lot of that he has said,but I thank him for being one of the first to stand up and be counted, unlike so many , including Westminster and Holyrood.

Just out of interest has anyone on this thread actually had a conversation with Graham? I have spoken with him a few times over the years and found him a decent bloke, and I’m not the only person to say that about him.

Never spoken to him.
His comedy has given me many laughs over the years.
He was very strongly against Count Dankula over the Nazi Pug incident and hopped right on that bandwagon at the time. Since then he came to realise just how twisted and deceiful the legacy media can be when you disagree with them ( gender critical ). He has since sincerely apologised to Count Dankula with no ifs, buts, or excuses. For me the measure of a person's character can be best seen when they say sorry. It's difficult to admit you were wrong, and own it. Graham's apology to Dankula makes me believe he has great character. He may not be perfect, he may say stupid things, but I have faith in him as a person. Lord knows I do and say an enormous amount of stupid things so I want to live in a world where that stupidity can be forgiven. I'm in no position to judge others as harshly as some on here seem to enjoy doing.

I would absolutely have thought this to be the case until recently and assume it probably was. While I didn’t always like the way he went about things I assumed that being under the absolute social cancellation and rabid onslaught of the TRAs could result in this quite understandably.

But the things he’s recently been posting on Twitter are so far over the line for me that I’m done. I almost wondered if he’d been hacked until I saw that it wasn’t an isolated case.

Have you looked at the recent tweets though? They’re really a… departure.

Has anybody been suggesting legal action? What for? That’s mad. I just don’t like his recent tweets about women.

Ok. Yeah. Emotional screeching… haha.

But again the left is not a homogenous group so when"the left" aren't listening who do you mean? People are essentially saying on this thread that the left has a homogenous view of sex for example completely again ignoring the voices of left wing GC feminists on this thread. So yes I'd agree there are some genuine concerns some factions of the left need to address but this board is a representation of the opposite which is any genuine concerns about the right is not listened to and is deflected so I'd take people's concerns about "the left" as a whole more sincerely if people also allowed discussion about the right.

"She bought a yacht from Johnny Depp" is, as things go, fairly weak, as evidence of someone's moral turpitude. I think even you would have to agree.

Generally speaking it's counterproductive to ridicule or insult your oponents; on both sides. It plays well with the home crowd but that's about the only thing it achieves.

Thats not borderline calling a woman hysterical for sharing an opinion at all right 🙄

I’m a disillusioned Lefty, and I find a lot of other regular posters on FWR are also very disillusioned at the poor quality of politics and analysis offered by the parties on the Left.

But just because posters don’t complain about exactly the same things as you do about political offerings from politicians/parties on the Right (and by Right, I mean centre-Right, not far-Right). And just because posters are heartened to see politicians from the Right backing GC positions, and campaigns, it doesn’t mean they’re trying to ignore or deflect discussion of things you dislike about the politics of the Right.

It means we’re approaching the issues from different perspectives and that we’re part of that non-homogeneous Left and we have a different political analysis than you.

Mumsnet as a whole, but definitely FWR specifically, is not a hug box, posters will challenge and ask for evidence and state disagreement. It doesn’t mean your views aren’t welcome, it means people have their own views and they are going to state them too.

My views don't fit neatly into any box I've ever been shown. I'm a man, in case you didn't already know. I am largely gender critical, in the true sense that I am critical of worldviews that rely on gender stereotypes (conservative and genderist), but I do think that there are biological/evolutionary reasons for the existence of some of those stereotypes. I don't think people should be confined to stereotypes though.

I think it would be a blooming cheek for me to claim to be a feminist, or even a feminist ally, but I have undoubtedly been influenced (and I hope improved) by some feminist thinking; on the other hand I absolutely reserve my right to reject some things that feminists have said and stood for. I think that women tend to get a rough deal in life, partly through biology and partly through what is referred to as "the patriarchy". In very misogynist cultures, women have a terrible time.

And here I am, as usual, fitting one of the gender stereotypes by banging on about myself. Without feminism I probably wouldn't even be aware of that.

"Mumsnet as a whole, but definitely FWR specifically, is not a hug box, posters will challenge and ask for evidence and state disagreement."

Style and Beauty is not for the faint hearted.

I know lots of hard of thinking people hold JKR responsible for all the world’s ills, but of all the ‘insults’ thrown her way, I didn’t see ‘she bought a yacht off Johnny Depp!’ making my 2026 bingo card!

And just because posters are heartened to see politicians from the Right backing GC positions, and campaigns, it doesn’t mean they’re trying to ignore or deflect discussion of things you dislike about the politics of the Right

Except sometimes they are though is my point. I'm not talking just vaguely that people can't support someone on the right backing GC positions or even saying it's not ok to be right wing. I'm saying sometimes feminists on here, who are GC and have long histories on this forum, will post something critical of something that actually has a real world harm to women and sharing that opinion gets them accused of being a TRA.

Mumsnet as a whole, but definitely FWR specifically, is not a hug box, posters will challenge and ask for evidence and state disagreement. It doesn’t mean your views aren’t welcome, it means people have their own views and they are going to state them too.

I appreciate the sentiment of what you're saying but I think you're misinterpreting what I and others are saying. I'm saying we should have a wide range of views. It's fine for posters to challenge or state disagreement but it's bizarre for a place where many claim to be lefties or politically homeless and they come across a vaguely left wing but mostly just feminist opinions it's not just one or two challenge and state disagreement, it's several posters all at once and weirdly claiming they don't even hold the opposing viewpoint. It's not a place that welcomes all views of multiple commenters join a mob of people playing devil's advocate or descending into accusing someone of supporting harming children just because they shared a feminist concern for a right wing policy.

It's already happened all over this thread. Someone doesn't blindly agree that ICE can shoot a woman dead and raise a concern about victim blaming and the thread depends into that woman being told she's emotionally screeching. There's a tone and dismissal of women's lived experience that stinks of men on here lately.

I think that a lot of times when people say "The left" what they mean is left wing political parties in the UK and USA who are (pretty much) a homogenous "TWAW" group.

Other times when people say "the left" they mean left wing political parties in the UK and USA, plus people who claim to be left wing and who might despise all current left wing parties, perhaps because they believe sex is real and matters and TQ+ ideology is a misogynistic shitshow.

Para 1 - the left believes TWAW

Para 2 - the left has all sorts of views on sex and gender

I think a big part of why people on here ignore the failings of the right is because to us - on the left - the failings of the right are obvious.

I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who opposes Starmer's "TWAW, end free speech, lock up all the racists (50% of the country)" agenda.

I also look at the people who oppose Starmer's agenda and don't want to vote for them either, because other than on specific points I hate a lot about their world view.