Glinner Bullseye comment on X

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Always trying to explain Glinner to DH, today he showed me on X JD Vance defending murder of the woman by ICE. Glinner had replied something like 'bullseye', as in agreement. I tried to comprehend with "satire?" but he said no he's on Liz truss show these days. I said well he's always been about protecting women and children, he's not suddenly supporting femicide, but the post convinced DH otherwise. Any insights? I'm not on social media

@JamieCannister I don't know how to put it more clearly that I'm not reading your posts because you refuse to read mine and respect my request for you to stop engaging with me. Thank for demonstrating your continued lack of respect for women's preferences and boundaries, exactly what we need.

Our manifesto clearly said X. The polling clearly shows massive public support for X. We are doing X and there is no good whatsoever to come from protesting for Y

Are you familiar with our Labour Government 🤔

He calls parents who don't reject their trans kids "groomers", misgenders, posts graphic nudes of young people he says are trans kids...and the rest!

More to the point, Linehan's made it really.plain in recent days what a horrible misogynist he is. As if his TV writing already didn't.

Thing I don't get about the terf movement - why don't you all outright reject people who do terrible things?

I mean. JK Rowling upset domestic violence campaigners when she hired Johnny Depp. She bought his yacht!.If a friend of mine had done anything that shitty, so dismissive of women's trauma, I'd have dropped them at once.

Hadley Freeman, who defended Woody Allen at length and derided the account of his daughter.

All the men who hang around schools, repost far right content?

I've encountered trans people and allies who did shitty things, and dropped them. Immediately. Didn't alter how I feel about protecting trans people in general.

Donald Trump ffs! 20+ sexual assault accusations!

I know lots of GC women don't support people like that, but why isn't it all of you? There's such a big difference between holding a belief and being willing to tolerate appalling behaviour just because that person is anti-trans.

Not transphobic, right. And I'm not five-two with terrible eyesight and a tendency to drop stuff. It's just my family's perception that's wrong :)

I know lots of GC women don't support people like that, but why isn't it all of you?

What would you like to see? A certificate? Lots of TERFy people dislike Donald Trump. (You don't see me waving a flag for him, for example.) Seems to me that donating a half a billion quid to charitable causes is quite some mea culpa for buying a yacht from someone you disapprove of.

Politics is waaaay to tribal at the moment, and I think from what you say you're a sinner in that department.

Fascinating. No, Dobbin the Horse would have been preferable over Trump.

So why didn't the Democrats win?

I disagree. I’m a coward from a physical sense and would find it horrendously difficult to do what the protestors are doing. I don’t have to agree with all that they’re doing.

Part of me, as I have children in the US sometimes wants them to stop because I’m scared of civil war, but Jesus Christ, thank god there are protestors and people in the UK might want to think about that too, considering we’re at the stage of a dictator who is threatening to take Greenland ‘the easy or the hard way.’ I mean, think about it. You really want the people in the US to have protesting banned and be nice and polite about it?

Also, you just need to look slightly more deeply into what’s happening in Minnesota right now, it’s horrific, what you’re seeing on the news won’t be the half of it.

One might similarly say "the US population voted for what is happening - to protest ICE is to oppose democracy."

And that is the most fucking ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, quite frankly.

I've stated my disapproval of the people you mention doing things I disagree with. I've even complained on this thread that I find Linehan hard to support/like/understand for negative aspects of his behaviour.

What now?

Do I have to apply for some sort of stamped licence that proves I did this and am now considered officially virtuous enough to continue to discuss women's rights?

I have not refused to read your posts. I saw the post where you told me that you do not want me to respond to the posts you make on a public forum, and I replied saying that I am not sure I am going to remember that instruction.

I said I would block you if I could to avoid intereactions that you do not want. But I can't.

If you address me directly then I reserve the right to reply. If you don't address me directly then I reserve the right to forget that you are the one person on mumsnet who wishes to control who I can reply to and who I can't.

I could spend an hour writing a list but:

Racisim
Sexism
Lack of education
Social media brainwashing reaching all of the above
The above but manipulated and super-powered by, for example, Russia
Rich people’s greed
Extremely rich people’s greed

I mean, you could write a paper on this, but it’s not because Kamala or previously because Hilary’s emails or because any of those things . I mean, just look at Trump.

But you think the US electorate voted poorly based on something you can't name or describe. Riiiiight...

Johnny Depp wasn’t found guilty of anything, same with Woody Allen …

Literally only addressed you "directly" when you once again quoted me, your male aggression is showing.

The left, in public: "The people are stupid, easily-manipulated, sexist, racist, and greedy."
The people: <see what the left are saying about them and vote accordingly>
The left: "Why did we lose the election?"

So definitely nothing to do with the sneering way those on the left describe those who don't agree with them or who raise concerns?

If democrats think the voter base is full of uneducated, thick, racists, just what do they propose to do about that?

Because attempts to 'rehabilitate' do not seem to be working so far.

The "basket of deplorables" was indeed quite a memorable own goal (back in 2016).

It was.

And yet, here we are with same old, same old...

(And I'll bet you a Tunnocks Teacake that poster thinks I'm an Evil Trump Supporter 🙃)

There's not a whole lot of reflection really from the Democrats side as to what they themselves could have done better, in my experience.

It is not within my gift to 'drop' Graeme Linehan as I neither read his tweets nor give him money and he has no idea who I am.

Had no idea that JK Rowling bought Jonny Depp's yacht, but I do like to keep up on the celeb goss so I googled this and apparently she bought the yacht in 2015 in the 'Heard and Depp illegally taking dogs to Australia era', years before Depp v. Heard. I don't know if she was ever friends with him or if he was just somebody who acted in a film that was produced and directed and cast by other people. It seems a bit of a stretch to weigh her association with Depp (no criminal charges against him) against her decades of support for at risk women and children and suggest she doesn't care about domestic violence.

Has anyone on this thread suggested that they are a Trump supporter?

I don't think Hadley Freeman has been mentioned.

I mean this genuinely - I think you would do a better job of protecting trans people if you were able to accept that sex is real and consequential, people can't change sex, and women (however they identify) rely on clear definitions of sex in legislation and policy to protect their rights and health. In the end everyone has to live in the material world.

I mean really, if Hadley Freeman is the best people can come up with on the 'guilt by association' front, there isn't much there is there?

She's not exactly the big bad wolf.

The Democrats ran a candidate who arguably should have been relieved of his duties before the end of his term. They only dropped him when the lying was no longer possible.

Do you not think that might have had an effect?

So the left / democrats are still being described as a homogenous group after the scolds for painting all republican voters as a homogenous group

Again, there is a huge difference between personal feelings about Trump and understanding the shitshow of a situation that handed him the election.

I genuinely dont understand what people find so hard about pointing out that losing the election was their own sodding fault for being so utterly shit.

Wow.

Well done respecting women who speak up about abuse.