Glinner Bullseye comment on X

[Thatcatsaflippingnightmare]

Always trying to explain Glinner to DH, today he showed me on X JD Vance defending murder of the woman by ICE. Glinner had replied something like 'bullseye', as in agreement. I tried to comprehend with "satire?" but he said no he's on Liz truss show these days. I said well he's always been about protecting women and children, he's not suddenly supporting femicide, but the post convinced DH otherwise. Any insights? I'm not on social media

Why make excuses for all the shit things Glinner says? You owe him nothing.

No, I admit, I truly don't understand why these incidents happen in the US, but not elsewhere.

What I find strange is the idea that if somebody is driving a car towards you with murderous intent, and they are close enough to be within conversational distance, that shooting them in the head will save you from being run over.

IANAN [I am not a neurologist] but I suspect the human body's reaction to a bullet in the face is not to press the brake pedal, steer away from the person you were aiming to run over, and bring the car to a controlled stop, and step out of the car as instructed.

It's possible that involuntary movements of the dying body could have caused the car to drive right into the ICE official. He was lucky that the driver was already steering away from him, as can be seen clearly on the bodycam footage, when the bullet[s] entered her brain.

The fact that he can be heard shouting 'F*ing bitch' at the woman he had just shot in the face suggests that he was not entirely in control of his emotions during the interaction.

Yeah there is body cam footage of her driving at, and hitting the officer who shot her, regardless of your stance on the ICE issue, driving a car at an armed officer in the USA get's you shot, that seems clear to everyone?

The most anyone can definitely say at this stage is that people have provided conflicting evidence, and that many people sharing material have partisan motivations, so I don't think you can say that anything is clear to everyone.

Well, the body cam footage I saw looked pretty clear. I take no position in it, other than saying if I lived in the USA, I would not drive my car at an officer of any type, as I'd expect to be shot. Regardless of everything else I think about guns and laws and immigration, doing that seems utterly idiotic. A true tragedy that anyone was killed.

Glinner didnt shoot anyone. He as much as anyone else is allowed to be on one side, on the other side or somewhere in the middle. I always find it fascinating there is outrage over someone commenting and not outrage of the situation itself.

At the end of the day Trump was elected on a mandate and one element was to sort out the illegal immigrant situation. If the USA public want to put a stop to it, then im not sure potentially running down or appearing to run down individual armed agents is a workable solution.

Presumably Graham went to the USA because he feels that suits his life now, and he is allowed to support the actual president and the elected officials of the ciuntry he lives in if he wants to. Whether I agree with his words on a screen or not is completely irrelevant.

And other footage suggest that she was driving away, but I'm very grateful to live in a country where these things aren't officially assessed according to videos people post on the internet.

The car was stationary when she was first asked to get out of the car (a different agent asked her to get out of the car).

She made a conscious decision to ignore that instruction and drive off. With an agent in the path of her car.

The agent in the path of her car had ONLY a split second to respond to her decision to drive off, and he fired.

The woman's decision (to ignore the instruction of armed agents to leave her vehicle, and instead drive off) was incredibly reckless. And, regardless of whether you think he was correct or not correct to fire, the agent's defence is he had ONLY a split second to respond to her reckless action.

The only two innocent (relatively) explanations I can think of is he was afraid and used the weapon he had to hand without thinking it through logically or possibly the if you're taking me down I'm taking you down with me.

I've never seen footage of people who've suffered a massive brain injury. I'm certain it's out there but I don't want to see it. I'm not a fan of violent films either. I did accidentally see a cow shot with a captive bolt gun. It went down like its strings had been cut. I'm sorry for the comparison but if Renee suffered a similar injury she'd have been gone instantly, no voluntary muscle control at all.

It makes no difference what other footage showed , the footage from the agents body cam showed the situation from his perspective, which is what he reacted to and why he shot at the vehicle.

It's not clear why he didn't just move out of the way, but that argument would support the idea that it was a mistake and a tragic accident.

That is not the story being told by the `US Government.

How do you have time to draw a gun but not move out of the way?

If a car is driving towards you and is going to hit you in the next couple of seconds, it's pretty stupid to shoot the driver rather than get out of the way. You'd still be hit by the car.

I don't believe the claim that he shot her in fear of being run over. But it's no excuse anyway. Can you imagine if women shot men dead every time we feared for our lives? There'd be bodies piled high in the streets.

I don't think you are taking enough into consideration, she been instructed to get out of the vehicle, he was primed and ready for her to get out of the vehicle or do something else, she did something else, he reacted to that.

Thanks for taking a really awful part of my life and making a snarky comment about it.

I was not saying she was asking for it, I was explaining what it's like to be in that situation where men with guns and rifles are standing around you and pointing their weapons at you. I was explaining how demeaning it feels and how horrible it feels when you have to assess your safety based on how these armed men might be feeling that day. I was explaining that I learned early on that you have to comply with these men, even if you don't want to, because it is too dangerous not to.

They're armed agents though, and that is the distinct difference. They're permitted to use deadly force if the person poses a serious danger to them or other people!

The agent who fired was in the path of her car when she ignored instruction to get out of her car (the other agent told her four times to get out of the car) choosing instead to drive forward (while the other agent was still in the path of her car).
If the woman had got out of her car on any one of the four occasions she was told to, she wouldn't have come under fire.

That Glinner tweet is totally wick. He's been losing the plot for a while, looks like he's completely lost it now.😒

They're armed agents though, and that is the distinct difference. They're permitted to use deadly force if the person poses a serious danger to them or other people!

I think that they have 6 weeks of training?

I can understand why people are resistant to having ICE agents in their neighbourhood.

Sorry but this is just excusing male violence. Even if he was permitted by the laws over there to summarily execute her, that doesn't make it right.

Obviously if you live in an authoritarian or fascist state, disobeying armed officials is unwise. Perhaps she made the mistake of thinking she lived in a liberal democracy.

I describe horrible experiences from my childhood of armed men intimidating me and forcing me to be polite and compliant towards them because they are holding weapons, and you think I'm praising these men? Are you wise in the head?

I respect Graham a lot for continuing to speak out for what he thought was right, at great personal cost.
I don't expect to agree with him about everything. I don't agree with ANYONE about everything.
I do think it would be best for everyone to avoid making politically motivated comments about the death of a young mother before it's at all clear what actually happened. Even if you feel provoked by the 'opposite' side.