SNP in secret attempt to challenge Supreme Court ruling on sex

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I couldn't despise those fecking weasels more if I tried:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/89b42f06-fc36-4f06-98b1-d7b93c175463?shareToken=e40f182647b48214917896a4ae34328b

True, but two points remain. First, people like that shouldn't have been anywhere near Parliament. Second, the time they spent in Parliament could have been used by more capable people. It's right to ensure that diverse views are represented. But the Greens (and this is emblematic of the radical left) have taken this further and said that your background gives you the right (or not) to speak. They've junked the idea that knowledge, excellence, wisdom, even truth, are objective and said actually it's all about power. Which plays into the hands of the radical right who then say 'well in that case we'll have all the power, thanks'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002q26k

Cant listen, but seems relevant

The Scottish government have now published their arguments. https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2013556220699783222?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

They seem to be arguing that prisons do not need to be segregated by sex at all. 🤔

I saw a comment of the US Supreme Court case that it was not so much an argument for trans (aka men) inclusion in women’s sports but an argument against women’s sports. It seems the same here.

I've skimmed over the first document and it looks to me that, like their risk assessment forms, it's all about the poor trans prisoner.

"The risks which might be identified may include risks to the life or health of the prisoner arising from their transgender status."

"(2) Transgender persons have the right under Article 8 to respect for their choice of gender as an aspect of private life...""

"That Rule also permits prisoners of different sexes to be accommodated in the same part of a prison where it is not reasonably practicable to separate them. That would apply if the separation of a particular transgender prisoner was incompatible with their Convention rights"

It does say, "The risks considered are risks to the prisoner and risks to others, prisoners and staff." I then searched for the word "staff" and it only appeared twice, here and in "...That does not conflict with the rights of any
other prisoner or member of staff because the decision whether to place a
transgender prisoner in a prison for the opposite sex involves the conduct of the
balancing exercise instructed by the Prisons Guidance," so I don't see where the risk assessment to staff comes in. The second document seems similar.

I'll admit to not having read every word - am I missing something?

More callous than ever I see, Scottish government. What about women? Any concerns about their human rights? FFS. I'm almost relishing querying the person who comes to my door during election fever about this...

Well that's 2 hundred years of doing it the right way out of the window then. FFS 🤬

In spite of the SC judgement, and in spite of NHS Fife getting things completely wrong by not also considering female employees when carrying out a risk assessment, and also considering that the recent ruling in the Darlington nurses case explicitly stated that the nurse's also had Section 8 rights to privacy...they come out with this product of legal illiteracy is astounding.

The only consistency here lies in the absolute zealotry of their ideological batshittery.

If we're cherry-picking contentious statements in the arguments, can I volunteer this?

29: Gender reassignment or, more broadly, gender identity also comes within the scope of “equal opportunities” in L2 in the Scotland Act as one of the “other personal attributes”. A nontransman and a transman are different by reference to that characteristic or attribute. Similarly, a non-transwoman and a transwoman are different on the same basis. To treat a transperson and a non-transperson in exactly the same way in all circumstances only because of their common biology is unlawful discrimination in Convention rights terms but is the basis on which the petition proceeds.

WTAF are a nontransman and a non-transwoman?

The difference between a nontransman and a "transman" is that the first is a man and the second is a woman.

What a pile of rubbish!

Gender identity is NOT a protected characteristic! Did Maggie Personperson write this total drivel???!!

I think that they just mean an ordinary woman when they use the offensive term nontransman

In the Times:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/36f97155-85dd-48a7-b8fb-34d7ede1405f?shareToken=27173ec3b480423f4e823c3da4099fd1

I really dislike the MN selection of emojis - they're basically all variations on 'like', 'agree', 'support'. There's nothing for 'wow, that's outragous'!

(Actually I don't have a lot of use for them and never look at the ones people have given me, plus you can't see other people's, but those are separate issues.)

Well of course. When all else fails, use emotional blackmail and threaten suicide.

’male rapists may commit suicide if they don’t get to rape women’

First we're non-men and now we're non-transmen, they really really hate women don't they. 😠

'The case is due to be heard early in February, and the Scottish government’s defence of transgender criminals, including murderers, threatens to become a potent political issue before the Holyrood elections in May. '

You've shat your bed, now you'd better lie in it. I think that's how the expression goes.

Ah, here's the key line:

'The Scottish government has said if its legal arguments fail, and transgender prisoners must be categorised by biological sex, the court should issue a declaration that UK law is incompatible with human rights treaty obligations.'

I understand the ECHR has already ruled that it is not a breach of human rights to incarcerate a man who identifies as a woman with other men. Unfortunately I didn’t keep the link.

We really need a "For fuck’s sake!" emoji for reading sentences that include nontransman and transman… the idea being doing away with the words male/man and female/woman altogether will resolve all those painful ‘no’s’ the gender ideologues hate hearing.

It is shit like this that fuels the divisions between left and right.

Has the SNP said it would be 'literal genocide' to put men in a men's prison. 🤪

I think 'trans'iding people are nuts, I think the SNP are nut's, I'm starting to sense a pattern.

If I am getting my head around this I think when they say a non transman they mean just a man and a non trans woman is a woman?! Either way it's offensive nonsense. We are not defined as being not trans FFS!!!! Our sex is either male or female, humans cannot change sex so we cannot be non anything relating to someone who believes they are the opposite sex. I actually want to find out who signed this off, has John Swinney actually approving this absolute tosh? Just so violent male prisoners can be housed with vulnerable women? What is wrong with our government?!

ECHR means trans prisoners can’t be banned from women’s jails, claims SNP
https://archive.is/Ndw1W

Fury as SNP ministers liken trans prisoners in female jails to ‘mums taking young sons into ladies’ changing rooms’
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15825053/trans-prisoners-female-jails-mums-sons-ladies-snp/

(sorry if links already posted)

Emoji wise, we need a Kristen Bell cringe face one, an 'oh snap!' one and an evil laughter while holding a gin and tonic one for a proper range.

Initially I thought the left in govt sinking political capital wholesale into trans rights was an example of the long march thru the institutions, then I fell more for the theory of Captain Cock Up (literally true when it comes to AGPs in women's spaces), then the idea that TRA is a neo religion and caste structure.
But more and more I'm thinking that the whole of politics in this modern era where decisions aren't made by MPs directly, but materialize thru the æther of the legal-charity-third sector blob, where politicos have lost any existence re the traditional class war, but since the Wall came down are subborned to literal uselessness.
All they have is their progressive echo chamber & their impotence to enact anything to make the population at large have better lives, so they purity spiral on trans rights, critical race theory, policing wrongspeak.
These are people I wouldn't trust to sort a shopping list, let alone policies that directly impinge the lives of millions, including millions of girls and women.
As to why the SNP are prepared to die on this most extreme of hills, that echo chamber is how they maintain relationships in politics as well as judge the virtue of others, and as horizontal radicalising continues unabated, the absolutely insane becomes the definitely sane in their eyes.
The problem is, the further they go down this rabbit hole, the further they get away from the light, until all they can see is each other, and this becomes their normal.