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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 13:26

The SNP will then treat your vote for them as a vote for independence.

😂😂😂😂😂

They just say that…

RandomHypatia · 21/01/2026 13:42

In most of Scotland the candidates are Green, Labour, Lib dem, SNP, Tory and Reform. If you're left of centre Labour are the least worst option in my view (my Labour MP might actually be GC, my SNP MSP unfortunately is not and will probably win again), if you're to the right of centre the Tories haven't been great on women's rights, but are generally better than Reform. I'm still considering spoiling my ballots, but think I'll probably go with least worst option so the worst options get a smaller share of the votes.
I'm not denying we live in a democracy and are fortunate compared to many countries, but the voting/political system could certainly be better. Six political parties and none of them genuinely have women's needs and rights as a priority. We're half the country, not a tiny minority!

My husband and I are actually happy about the fact we pay more income tax up here compared to if we still lived in England as long as that's been used where it's needed (health, education, social care). When they brought in the tax band changes and for a while after there were some sizable surveys that showed the majority of higher earners were actually supportive of paying more tax. I know we don't get to choose how our taxes are spent, but it is so frustrating to see it being pissed away on court cases and employment tribunals trying to strip women of our human rights. It's the double insult of trashing women's rights whilst wasting parliamentary time and huge sums of money that could be focused on supporting children from disadvantaged backgrounds or improving access for disabled people etc. So many better things.
How privileged, selfish and arrogant do you have to be to be prioritising a tiny group of deluded "trans" people over all these other groups?!

Sorry for the rant. I just got out of an hour long meeting where I was constantly talked over and patronised by four not very bright men. I'm currently extremely irritated.

ArabellaSaurus · 21/01/2026 14:01

I reckon we need to start ranting more, tbh.

I agree that I'm happy - in principle - to pay a bit more in tax, if services etc are commensurately better.

However, I'm not happy for it to be pissed away on fucking quangos and gigantic salaries for shit useless council high heed yins. The wastage on shit legislation alone is eye watering. DRS, anyone? GRR? Millions pissed away.

The council tax issue is also worsening - no raises so our services get hacked to the bone, raises so working people get yet another penalty for fuck all return.

I think efficiencies is what is needed, and fewer £80k salaries for soi disant public 'servants' would be a good place to start.

RhannionKPSS · 21/01/2026 14:04

Tadpolesinponds · 21/01/2026 13:22

I think it's worth voting for one of the good Scottish conservative MSPs. Some of them do actually challenge the Scottish government in Parliament and in the press. This brings the issues to people's attention. They have been fighting back on trans issues. If there's a real risk of Reform getting in in your constituency, then you may feel that you have no choice but to vote SNP, as arguably the lesser of two evils. The SNP will then treat your vote for them as a vote for independence.

Please , please don’t vote for the SNP. They are incompetent, utterly vile , greedy and liars.

Hoardasurass · 21/01/2026 14:05

JustPlainStanfreyPock · 21/01/2026 12:12

So? What do you suggest for a sex realist voter?

Look for any independent and/or hold your nose and vote tory (least bad choice between gender woo and reform). I'm voting tory on my list vote as im in murdo fraser area and hes been good on this, still haven't made my mind up about the 1st past the post vote as im waiting to here back from some of the independents

JustPlainStanfreyPock · 21/01/2026 16:17

Hoardasurass · 21/01/2026 14:05

Look for any independent and/or hold your nose and vote tory (least bad choice between gender woo and reform). I'm voting tory on my list vote as im in murdo fraser area and hes been good on this, still haven't made my mind up about the 1st past the post vote as im waiting to here back from some of the independents

Think I'm going to have to have an email question for the candidates. Never see any MSP ones on the doorstep, round here it is SNP and Lib Dem. SNP definitely not on & LD not much better.
As you say, its the list vote too that needs thought, makes my head hurt!

I've always been grateful to the brave suffragettes who fought and died for our vote, and have always used my vote for almost 50 years. This is the first time I have struggled to find a candidate I can vote for.

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 16:23

ArabellaSaurus · 21/01/2026 14:01

I reckon we need to start ranting more, tbh.

I agree that I'm happy - in principle - to pay a bit more in tax, if services etc are commensurately better.

However, I'm not happy for it to be pissed away on fucking quangos and gigantic salaries for shit useless council high heed yins. The wastage on shit legislation alone is eye watering. DRS, anyone? GRR? Millions pissed away.

The council tax issue is also worsening - no raises so our services get hacked to the bone, raises so working people get yet another penalty for fuck all return.

I think efficiencies is what is needed, and fewer £80k salaries for soi disant public 'servants' would be a good place to start.

You’re forgetting ferries, airport, overseas ‘embassies’, the bribe to get Yousef’s in laws out of Gaza, millions given to LBGT+ Youth Scotland to push gender ideology in schools despite having been headed up by a major paedophile and done pretty much nothing to look at their processes after that, plus of course all the other third sector ‘charities’ they pay to lobby their own ideas back to them.

Council heads might be paid too much but in general the SNP have made huge cuts to council budgets (which pays for education and social care) and planned significantly more such cuts in their last budget.

ThreeWordHarpy · 21/01/2026 16:30

I don’t have a vote in the Scottish elections. However, the likes of Ruth Davidson have given me the impression that in Scotland, Tories are still traditional (relatively) moderate small c conservatives, with whom I could honestly debate and disagree but still work with and accept in government. If there was someone of the calibre of Baroness Davidson on the ballot paper I could be tempted to vote for her/him.

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 16:33

I will probably vote Tory. They are the only ones that have done anything to protect women’s rights and challenge the SNP government on other issues too. Labour seem to be becoming increasingly authoritarian. SNP, Greens and Lib Dem’s all a huge ‘no’. Reform is like a rather dangerous game of ‘lucky dip’. Will need to see the candidates though.

1984Now · 21/01/2026 16:34

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 16:23

You’re forgetting ferries, airport, overseas ‘embassies’, the bribe to get Yousef’s in laws out of Gaza, millions given to LBGT+ Youth Scotland to push gender ideology in schools despite having been headed up by a major paedophile and done pretty much nothing to look at their processes after that, plus of course all the other third sector ‘charities’ they pay to lobby their own ideas back to them.

Council heads might be paid too much but in general the SNP have made huge cuts to council budgets (which pays for education and social care) and planned significantly more such cuts in their last budget.

Wings Of Scotland keeps you abreast of the vipers nest that is nationalist politics in Scotland. I'd bite my hand off before I'd vote for the SNP or Scottish Greens.

Waitwhat23 · 21/01/2026 16:43

I really wish that all the MSP's across party lines who have proven themselves principled, willing to reach out and support others in different parties and willing to challenge things would create a sort of amalgamated party with the best of all their policies.

It'll never happen but it would be glorious (and would mean I wasn't politically homeless)

lcakethereforeIam · 21/01/2026 16:45

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 16:23

You’re forgetting ferries, airport, overseas ‘embassies’, the bribe to get Yousef’s in laws out of Gaza, millions given to LBGT+ Youth Scotland to push gender ideology in schools despite having been headed up by a major paedophile and done pretty much nothing to look at their processes after that, plus of course all the other third sector ‘charities’ they pay to lobby their own ideas back to them.

Council heads might be paid too much but in general the SNP have made huge cuts to council budgets (which pays for education and social care) and planned significantly more such cuts in their last budget.

Isn't there something about dirty water in a Glasgow hospital that's killed two children? An issue that was known about possibly when Sturgeon was in charge of health, certainly when she was First Minister.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 21/01/2026 16:47

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 16:23

You’re forgetting ferries, airport, overseas ‘embassies’, the bribe to get Yousef’s in laws out of Gaza, millions given to LBGT+ Youth Scotland to push gender ideology in schools despite having been headed up by a major paedophile and done pretty much nothing to look at their processes after that, plus of course all the other third sector ‘charities’ they pay to lobby their own ideas back to them.

Council heads might be paid too much but in general the SNP have made huge cuts to council budgets (which pays for education and social care) and planned significantly more such cuts in their last budget.

In English counties where the council tax is going ever higher every year though it's just all going into the social care budget. Services are still being cut, additional costs being fitted in for services that were free a few years ago, and there's no visible return for all the money pouring in.

1984Now · 21/01/2026 17:02

Waitwhat23 · 21/01/2026 16:43

I really wish that all the MSP's across party lines who have proven themselves principled, willing to reach out and support others in different parties and willing to challenge things would create a sort of amalgamated party with the best of all their policies.

It'll never happen but it would be glorious (and would mean I wasn't politically homeless)

Just as English voters will tactically vote to keep Reform out, I'd do the same to keep SNP/Scottish Greens out.
I've never seen politicians rewarded more for abject ongoing failure than this shower.
If Farage was PM at the time of the Brexit vote, and he helped lose it to Remain, him and his party would have been turfed ignominiously from office.
Sturgeon loses in 2014, yet she went from strength to strength (until the silly Moo put men in women's prisons)

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 17:22

The broadcasted daily party political speeches she made for a year during Covid, stopping only weeks before the last election helped.

1984Now · 21/01/2026 17:24

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 17:22

The broadcasted daily party political speeches she made for a year during Covid, stopping only weeks before the last election helped.

Edited

COVID certainly was good for some politicians.
Remind me, what was the COVID death rate in Scotland with Nicola "follow the science" Sturgeon?

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 17:25

1984Now · 21/01/2026 17:24

COVID certainly was good for some politicians.
Remind me, what was the COVID death rate in Scotland with Nicola "follow the science" Sturgeon?

Whatever it was it was Westminster’s fault. But if people had listened a cut and inch of the bottom of classroom doors….

RhannionKPSS · 21/01/2026 17:30

How could we forget that wee nugget about the fire doors…showed up exactly how thick Sturgeon etc are.
She loved standing there every day, telling us what a good job she was doing , every day a political party opportunity for the stupid SNP. It’s was all just smoke and mirrors

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 17:36

Then there was the Scottish census with its ideological questions that had to be done year later to be different to England, and didn’t even make the 90% return mark (England achieved 97%) so the data is too unreliable to be meaningful.

Hoardasurass · 21/01/2026 17:42

JustPlainStanfreyPock · 21/01/2026 16:17

Think I'm going to have to have an email question for the candidates. Never see any MSP ones on the doorstep, round here it is SNP and Lib Dem. SNP definitely not on & LD not much better.
As you say, its the list vote too that needs thought, makes my head hurt!

I've always been grateful to the brave suffragettes who fought and died for our vote, and have always used my vote for almost 50 years. This is the first time I have struggled to find a candidate I can vote for.

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Yep haven't seen anyone campaigning so have had to do emails my labour, lib dem, green and snp candidates are all gender woo. The local 1st past the post tory has come out as gc but im waiting to decide until I've heard back from all tge independents
I just wish they would all put out a statement on whether they think biological women deserve human rights or not

Hoardasurass · 21/01/2026 17:49

lcakethereforeIam · 21/01/2026 16:45

Isn't there something about dirty water in a Glasgow hospital that's killed two children? An issue that was known about possibly when Sturgeon was in charge of health, certainly when she was First Minister.

The queen Elizabeth mega hospital that had pigeons pooping in the water supplied to the cancer ward a killed 3+ patients directly and is a secondary cause for unknown others.
There's been a massive cover up that included the hospital trust paying private detectives to stalk the families of the victims socal media to find out what they were saying about the hospital

moto748e · 21/01/2026 18:02

There's been a massive cover up that included the hospital trust paying private detectives to stalk the families of the victims socal media to find out what they were saying about the hospital

Sounds like another TV docu/drama in the making right there.

SwirlyGates · 21/01/2026 18:04

I'd assumed that it was too early for candidate lists for the upcoming election, but this thread prompted me to google and I have found that there are currently 18 candidates for my local seat, across 2 independents and 2 parties, so they are obviously not all there yet. I do have a preferred candidate anyway.

I'm really going to have to check how tactical voting works as I seem to remember that, counterintuitively, if you really don't want a candidate/party it's better to number them last rather than not at all.

In the Green party list there are Mridul Wadhwa, Lorna Slater and the delightful "let's defund women's groups who won't let trans women in" Alex Staniforth. Great. What a horrendous shower of misogynists.

SwirlyGates · 21/01/2026 18:08

Oh, and I know this thread is about the SNP, but the Scottish Greens are not wanting to be left behind in the scramble to be the best trans allies.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/ross-greer-questions-sandie-peggies-36590287

BrokenSunflowers · 21/01/2026 18:19

Lorna Slater in second place on the list? 😂