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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"All star charity concert for trans rights"

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FuriousAndFrustrated · 28/11/2025 15:15

Spotted on the Guardian today:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/nov/28/sugababes-sophie-ellis-bextor-wolf-alice-and-more-to-play-all-star-charity-concert-for-trans-rights

Raising money for the kimono-clad fox-killer's "Good" Law Project.

Definitely one to avoid!

Sugababes, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Wolf Alice and more to play all-star charity concert for trans rights

Organised by Olly Alexander and the Mighty Hoopla festival to ‘fight back against the politics of fear and exclusion’, Trans Mission will take place at Wembley Arena in March

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/nov/28/sugababes-sophie-ellis-bextor-wolf-alice-and-more-to-play-all-star-charity-concert-for-trans-rights

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Igneococcus · 08/03/2026 08:07

If they don't sell enough tickets to recoup the costs who would be liable to make up for it?

borntobequiet · 08/03/2026 08:22

ArabellaSaurus · 07/03/2026 15:46

Ah, I think I've stumbled on the reason its perhaps gone a bit flat.

You'll never guess...

According to this chap and his pals, its pink washing, and big stadium shows are inaccessible to the community, but mainly ...

Not centring enough named trans identifying men.

😂

Those poor women doing their hardest to position themselves as allies.

Its never enough, you know.

I went out with someone who looked very like him in, oh, 1971. He was an arse though, so it was only for a couple of weeks. He had a strange bouncy gait.

MowingMachine · 08/03/2026 10:08

Igneococcus · 08/03/2026 08:07

If they don't sell enough tickets to recoup the costs who would be liable to make up for it?

Whoever signed the contracts with for eg OvO Wembley Arena. Mighty Hoopla, I assume.

fanOfBen · 08/03/2026 10:19

NotBadConsidering "What does “show support” actually mean? When trans Reddit complains it’s a tick box exercise, what do they actually want? Or think they’re going to get? They can’t answer."

On the contrary, he said it. They want bricks thrown. They want people like us, who don't want to go along with the pretence that people can change sex, to be shut up, by violence if necessary. ETA the kind of legal and practical support JKR offers our side would probably be a big step in the right direction according to him, too. Curious that that isn't happening, isn't it? 😃

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2026 10:34

NotBadConsidering · 08/03/2026 06:47

This leads to the following conclusion: there’s nothing these people - straight celebs, “allies”, hand maiden supporters - can do.

They can’t change the law.

They can’t convince the majority of the public humans can change sex.

They can’t keep their fingers in the dyke - figuratively, of course - any longer. They have been holding it back, pulling the wool over people’s eyes for years. What can they actually achieve?

Get a change of law through parliament to say the definition of woman includes men?

Convince people children should continue to be sterilised?

What does “show support” actually mean? When trans Reddit complains it’s a tick box exercise, what do they actually want? Or think they’re going to get? They can’t answer.

I worked this out in 2008. Nothing is ever going to be good enough because the actual problem is they can't change sex and deep down they know it.

So the response is of slow anger to punish the world around them for this. Whatever you do it will never be enough because you can't change reality and you can't change how they feel about themselves. All this proving that transwomen are better at being women than women is exactly that - punching down and punishing others for what they know and see in the mirror. It doesn't matter how nice you are, how kind you are, how accommodating you are - you can't change what they see staring back through the mirror at themselves.

I do think it's effectively a form of self harm. Showing allyship is enabling and supporting self harm.

If you love someone and want to help them you don't achieve this by supporting the self harm. And it's like addiction in many ways - until they are ready to acknowledge that there's a problem and they can't change sex and look for support in other ways you can't actually help anyway. Those who affirm just feed the addiction.

But like all addictions, even your most supportive friends and family have a breaking point and eventually if the demands continue they do say 'enough' because they realise they can't actually help and what they've been doing ultimately contributes to the problem.

This is why trans parents who have been enablers will always be the last ones standing too. Because they have to admit they were the dealers who got their kids hooked on the lie before they were old enough to understand. Transition at age 3 is like giving you kid class As age three. Which they will never admit precisely because it means an admission of negligent or abusive behaviour.

This is difficult and controversial to say. I'm yet to see anyone who ultimately doesn't fit this pattern though. I think you notice it more the closer you are to the epicenter you are. It's why you get people who have trans friends saying how lovely they are and knowing elements of the self loathing but not understanding the lashing out part well. JKR is the lightning rod for the lashing out though which we can all easily see.

It's a fascinating psychological social experiment playing out in real time. I just wish it wasn't actually real though.

You have to know the difference between dreams that might come true and fantasies that can never ever come true.

There is no magic bullet anymore than there is for stopping gamblers with a problem with win euphoria or drug abusers who just want to shut out the pain. Or anorexics desperate to control their lives. Unless you deal with the underlying stuff that drives it all, no you will never be happy. And actually this isn't my problem to fix because the only person who can ultimately make yourself happy is yourself. Happiness can not ultimately rely on others. It has to come from within.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2026 10:51

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2026 10:34

I worked this out in 2008. Nothing is ever going to be good enough because the actual problem is they can't change sex and deep down they know it.

So the response is of slow anger to punish the world around them for this. Whatever you do it will never be enough because you can't change reality and you can't change how they feel about themselves. All this proving that transwomen are better at being women than women is exactly that - punching down and punishing others for what they know and see in the mirror. It doesn't matter how nice you are, how kind you are, how accommodating you are - you can't change what they see staring back through the mirror at themselves.

I do think it's effectively a form of self harm. Showing allyship is enabling and supporting self harm.

If you love someone and want to help them you don't achieve this by supporting the self harm. And it's like addiction in many ways - until they are ready to acknowledge that there's a problem and they can't change sex and look for support in other ways you can't actually help anyway. Those who affirm just feed the addiction.

But like all addictions, even your most supportive friends and family have a breaking point and eventually if the demands continue they do say 'enough' because they realise they can't actually help and what they've been doing ultimately contributes to the problem.

This is why trans parents who have been enablers will always be the last ones standing too. Because they have to admit they were the dealers who got their kids hooked on the lie before they were old enough to understand. Transition at age 3 is like giving you kid class As age three. Which they will never admit precisely because it means an admission of negligent or abusive behaviour.

This is difficult and controversial to say. I'm yet to see anyone who ultimately doesn't fit this pattern though. I think you notice it more the closer you are to the epicenter you are. It's why you get people who have trans friends saying how lovely they are and knowing elements of the self loathing but not understanding the lashing out part well. JKR is the lightning rod for the lashing out though which we can all easily see.

It's a fascinating psychological social experiment playing out in real time. I just wish it wasn't actually real though.

You have to know the difference between dreams that might come true and fantasies that can never ever come true.

There is no magic bullet anymore than there is for stopping gamblers with a problem with win euphoria or drug abusers who just want to shut out the pain. Or anorexics desperate to control their lives. Unless you deal with the underlying stuff that drives it all, no you will never be happy. And actually this isn't my problem to fix because the only person who can ultimately make yourself happy is yourself. Happiness can not ultimately rely on others. It has to come from within.

Exactly. Hating their enemies keeps them occupied too, and directs all their negativity outwards. Well maybe not all, but it’s a good distraction for their mental fragility.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2026 10:52

fanOfBen · 08/03/2026 10:19

NotBadConsidering "What does “show support” actually mean? When trans Reddit complains it’s a tick box exercise, what do they actually want? Or think they’re going to get? They can’t answer."

On the contrary, he said it. They want bricks thrown. They want people like us, who don't want to go along with the pretence that people can change sex, to be shut up, by violence if necessary. ETA the kind of legal and practical support JKR offers our side would probably be a big step in the right direction according to him, too. Curious that that isn't happening, isn't it? 😃

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Who needs JKR when you have Jolyon Maugham? 😂

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2026 10:54

Even Jolyon will end up a victim of the paradox of never being able to do enough eventually.

teawamutu · 08/03/2026 11:03

Had a look on the booking link last night, out of curiosity. You won't struggle if you want a last-minute ticket.

However: Whole blocks of the arena completely greyed out, and whole blocks almost completely available.

Corporate bookings? Just not selling tickets for all blocks? Genuine sales?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2026 11:33

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2026 10:54

Even Jolyon will end up a victim of the paradox of never being able to do enough eventually.

Indeed. And sooner rather than later, I think.

ChequerToRed · 08/03/2026 11:35

It’s interesting to see just how invested people are when it requires putting their hand in their pocket and having to plan. Looks like allyship is more of a niche sport than some would care to admit.
Guarantee the aftermath will be a combination of fantasy ‘success’ and whining, so business as usual.

SabrinaThwaite · 08/03/2026 11:39

ChequerToRed · 08/03/2026 11:35

It’s interesting to see just how invested people are when it requires putting their hand in their pocket and having to plan. Looks like allyship is more of a niche sport than some would care to admit.
Guarantee the aftermath will be a combination of fantasy ‘success’ and whining, so business as usual.

Apparently it’s ‘too difficult / too expensive / too challenging leaving the house’ to go to London for this gig.

DabOfPistachio · 08/03/2026 11:42

I'm getting constant ads for it on Facebook and Instagram.Seem to be pushing advertising hard.
Although I am curious as to know why it's supposedly inaccessible for 'the community'.
What's stopping a bunch of straight men going to an arena concert in London? Did they want free tickets? Something else? Genuinely don't know what he's on about.

MowingMachine · 08/03/2026 11:47

DabOfPistachio · 08/03/2026 11:42

I'm getting constant ads for it on Facebook and Instagram.Seem to be pushing advertising hard.
Although I am curious as to know why it's supposedly inaccessible for 'the community'.
What's stopping a bunch of straight men going to an arena concert in London? Did they want free tickets? Something else? Genuinely don't know what he's on about.

Me too. I click on the ads every time, because it costs them money when I do 😁

MowingMachine · 08/03/2026 11:50

teawamutu · 08/03/2026 11:03

Had a look on the booking link last night, out of curiosity. You won't struggle if you want a last-minute ticket.

However: Whole blocks of the arena completely greyed out, and whole blocks almost completely available.

Corporate bookings? Just not selling tickets for all blocks? Genuine sales?

A lot of the greyed out balcony blocks never were available. Some will be corporate/giveaway seats. And they're now consolidating seats from under-sold balcony blocks into two main ones, then making the under-sold blocks unavailable - see this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rlxaaj/transmission_wembley_arena/

moto748e · 08/03/2026 12:10

Transition at age 3 is like giving your kid class As age three.

This is so true. It's child abuse, and should be recognised as such.

Greyskybluesky · 08/03/2026 12:21

SabrinaThwaite · 08/03/2026 11:39

Apparently it’s ‘too difficult / too expensive / too challenging leaving the house’ to go to London for this gig.

It is a school night though...

TWETMIRF · 08/03/2026 14:11

I'm sure that there will be a whole host of allies willing to provide a free door to seat service where the vulnerable transperson can be shielded from having to see anyone who may think they are not laydees.

It's just not being advertised enough for the delicate flowers to be able to take advantage of.

Right?

Pudmyboy · 08/03/2026 14:23

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2026 10:54

Even Jolyon will end up a victim of the paradox of never being able to do enough eventually.

Can but hope!

SabrinaThwaite · 08/03/2026 14:27

Greyskybluesky · 08/03/2026 12:21

It is a school night though...

If it was that important to them then they could take a couple of days of leave?

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 08/03/2026 14:51

NotBadConsidering · 08/03/2026 06:47

This leads to the following conclusion: there’s nothing these people - straight celebs, “allies”, hand maiden supporters - can do.

They can’t change the law.

They can’t convince the majority of the public humans can change sex.

They can’t keep their fingers in the dyke - figuratively, of course - any longer. They have been holding it back, pulling the wool over people’s eyes for years. What can they actually achieve?

Get a change of law through parliament to say the definition of woman includes men?

Convince people children should continue to be sterilised?

What does “show support” actually mean? When trans Reddit complains it’s a tick box exercise, what do they actually want? Or think they’re going to get? They can’t answer.

They can raise funds!

(for Jolly-On to piss away on frivolous lawsuits, posh kimonos and fresh, non fox blood stained baseball bats).

Maaate · 08/03/2026 19:30

SabrinaThwaite · 08/03/2026 14:27

If it was that important to them then they could take a couple of days of leave?

Leave from what..?

Lalgarh · 08/03/2026 19:32

CassOle · 07/03/2026 16:49

The genuinely sad thing is that if we currently had the male fashions of the 1970's (and the 80's New Romantics), a lot of these men could embrace their 'feminine side' with long hair, floaty blouses, make-up, etc. and rock an attractive androgynous look (IMO). The whole stupid Barbie-Action Man gender spectrum bollocks has actually restricted people.

This just popped up on my socials Which illustrates the point!

https://youtube.com/shorts/97Gq_k9jqQY?si=SJ0H-jIaVbuwPU5F
👄 👁️

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/97Gq_k9jqQY?si=SJ0H-jIaVbuwPU5F

SabrinaThwaite · 08/03/2026 19:56

Maaate · 08/03/2026 19:30

Leave from what..?

I am assuming that at least some of them have actual jobs to go to (given the complaints about no longer being able to use the ladies at work suggests that at least some of them can leave the house).

Myalternate · 08/03/2026 20:04

I’d go but only to see Adam Lambert 🤭

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