HW getting cancelled by the trans community

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HW has posted on r/transgenderuk.
This past few weeks I’ve been in studios from Liverpool, to London, to Washington DC, using my voice to stand up for the trans community. What a whirlwind trip!

But the TRAs are NOT happy.

Helen, please. We know you probably mean well, but you DO NOT have the rhetorical or tactical skill to do this. You're damaging the cause you claim to be championing.

You have thoroughly embarrassed us with your performance.
It has been excruciating to listen to.

What the fuck, this is horrific. You've just gone and fed the fascist media machine the exact meat it was craving and it is running with it all the way to Timbuktu.

I'm not sure this has gone the way she hoped.

They're just good old misogynists, the TRA's

Well I don't know. But the mere fact that exposed bulging thigh fat was confused at some point with exposed bollocks suggests that a longer skirt or perhaps trousers, may have been more suitable attire.
No one wants to see your bulging anything

I had assumed that FW was maybe disappointed that the bulging thigh/bollock ruined their attempt at a “Sharon stone moment”? His clothing and way of sitting was totally inappropriate for a professional speaking gig. It was markedly different to the dress and behaviour of the other panelists. I found the whole performance disturbing as it seemed so weirdly sexualised and inappropriate

The sexism and ageism on this thread is shameful. “Mad old Auntie..”.. “Ra Ra skirts” etc I don’t agree with HW’s views but I agree with civilised discourse which is missing at both poles. Do better.

Is laughing at ra-ra skirts sexist or ageist? Or both? I'm confused

Come on, own up, who's been playing with my blunderbuss of wrong opinions?

Do better

I almost feel nostalgic. I haven't heard that in years

When ra-ra skirts are a deliberate part of the set-dressing and choreography for a video, they are a valid subject for comment.

Are we allowed to laugh at the black lacy pants, or is it just the ra-ra skirts that are off limits?

What about the star of the show, though? The black lacy pants?

Our minds are in the gutter

Also,
Be Kind.

I think we can guess the reaction if HJ had dressed like a sex obsessed stereotype of womanhood, spread her legs on stage to reveal ripped fishnets, got drunk and talked explicitly about her sex life in sex clubs. The fact that it is impossible to conceive of someone like HJ (or JB, or pretty much any other mentally stable woman) doing such a thing is revealing of a cold hard truth about FW.

I think it's clear that FWs desire to be seen in a particular way and to shock was something that he was much more concerned with than he was concerned about winning the argument for the benefit of all trans people.

I found the weird paternalistic patting and shushing from Peter even odder. What a strange dynamic that was.

Helen took one for the sisterhood that day. That’s for sure

I expect it felt very gender affirming.

That 'poem' has to have been written by a man. The whole thing was like a really weird, creepy, fetishistic piece of performance art.

Nobody wears skirts like that anymore, and certainly not women of her age, unless they are Eddie Izzard. As for the purple knickers.......

(Is she still with her husband? I wonder if he is an AGP?)

It gave me the shivers, and not in a good way. The mixed-metaphor section -
"You wear your body like a badge"
-Like a what? "Like a badge"
"and still you guard the gates"
Guard the gates of the badge?
"as if anyone asking to enter must be trying to steal it from you."
Asking to enter the badge? Asking to enter your body? what do you mean?
"Your privilege should be stripped."
You've just told me that my privilege is all about my physical body, which I can't do anything about, I'm afraid I was born like this (female) (including all of my eggs ready to be fertilised later on, sitting inside my immature ovaries) and I grew up into this (a woman, still with most of the parts, they've all been used though so they're a bit less erm, prestigious). How are you going to strip off all the parts of my body you've just mentioned? And why?
Oh it's about the "blade of (my) entitlement". That's awfully vague. Which bit relates to the blade of entitlement? Does it go along with a blunderbuss of wrong opinions? Can you use it for chopping vegetables if you can't find the usual kitchen knife? Would it need sharpening?

It's not a poem. It's not a piece of prose. It's somebody's bitter rant directed against an imaginary woman whom they've never met. It sends shivers down my spine because it is blandly spoken, as if through a mask, behind which is a miasma of cold rage.
"while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;" (WB Yeats)

I swear one of the worst things about this decade has been the truly bloody awful poetry.

Byron at least used to throw himself around chewing the scenery and being overdramatic in fairly good English.

😂

It's all just too awful of us, going about all the time being women, get up in the morning and there it all is, all the women-ness. Then we get dressed, eat breakfast, go through the whole day still being women. And at the end of the day, yup, woman-ness intact, still being women, we might even go out after dark, talk to men, still being women. How very dare we have all this woman-ness? In front of men who can't be women, dreadful creatures that we are, when will we own up and accept that it's all our fault?
It's the same old shit dressed up in a rara skirt, but then it always seems to be the same old shit.

I have not seen those knickers, I will not be swayed, I am resolute.

It's shocking and awful that we should do this being a woman thing in full view of everybody every single day! Shocking I say!

Please don't look at the knickers. They're not worth it

Moaning about female priviledge just underlines the fact that they're not women, Helen 🙄

All joking aside, when a man is writing about women's bodies, that they should be 'stripped' as his choice of word, and then the additional word 'blade' gets involved, it becomes bloody obvious that this is not in any way a hinged or safe bloke to be anywhere near women in a vulnerable state. His fury at women's desire to be separate from him is violent. Whether he wrote that conscious of his own violence or not, when a man tells you who he is, believe him.

That's what is so chilling.

Although I have adopted a humorous tone (she said pompously), I'm not actually joking. Although it's badly written, badly presented, badly conceived, as people have said in other threads, you can't argue with an illogical position using logic. Oh dear, perhaps I have run up the wrong flagpole on this occasion, showing my pennant upside down or something. Because actually I think humour is the answer. Show me a TRA who has a sense of humour. There aren't any.