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No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting

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IwantToRetire · 26/11/2025 01:06

Saw this being shared on facebook. Quote:

No child is born in the wrong body.

I cannot believe we are back to square one, with NHS England backing an experimental trial of puberty blockers on healthy, vulnerable children, ignoring the damage already done.

The No1 rule of medicine is "do no harm".
This is activist ideology masquerading as research.

I'm urging MPs of all parties to sign this letter from me and Shadow Health Secretary Stuart Andrew for Daventry, calling for Wes Streeting to step in and stop this trial before more damage is done to children who are too young to understand what they are doing to themselves.

https://www.facebook.com/kemibadenoch/posts/pfbid02c3rSBKCtNCY5qHeLVtJN94j4MhB7fZnoW159VXbzJUBdrMrDDbC3C4v6KX3W7MEbl

No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting
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Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:03

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:00

It was reported at the time as 70 children. Not 70%, or 60%.

At one point there were many women on here who all had children who were either trans or non-binary or who had friends who were. Likewise teachers reporting the same.

There was a 4000% increase in girls showing up at gender clinics.

I don't think it's possible to deny the social contagion element of this ideology.

once the DfE stopped it being celebrated in schools and taught as fact, the fad started to fade.

My own teen's school group of friends had 5 out of 7 of them with transgender identities.

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:03

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:00

It was reported at the time as 70 children. Not 70%, or 60%.

At one point there were many women on here who all had children who were either trans or non-binary or who had friends who were. Likewise teachers reporting the same.

There was a 4000% increase in girls showing up at gender clinics.

I don't think it's possible to deny the social contagion element of this ideology.

once the DfE stopped it being celebrated in schools and taught as fact, the fad started to fade.

The person I originally responded to claimed 60%, happy for you to pick that up with them as well.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 13:04

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PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:08

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:03

My own teen's school group of friends had 5 out of 7 of them with transgender identities.

Your child's friends are either atypical or, if they are representative of the school, 70% of pupils are trans.

Based on school runs, I think one of these scenarios is much more likely than the other.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 13:09

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Datun · 26/11/2025 13:09

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:03

The person I originally responded to claimed 60%, happy for you to pick that up with them as well.

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It's 76 children. 36 whose families claim they are trans, and the rest are gender fluid.

If you google rapid onset gender dysphoria, your find all the necessary links.

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:12

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Well it's a bit nitpicky!

But if I said this is fucking stupid, I don't fucking believe it. Some might construe that as being sworn at.

And it is entirely acceptable.

It wouldn't be acceptable if it's a personal attack, like you are fucking stupid I don't fucking believe you (not aimed at you, for the avoidance of doubt).

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:14

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:08

Your child's friends are either atypical or, if they are representative of the school, 70% of pupils are trans.

Based on school runs, I think one of these scenarios is much more likely than the other.

I did not say they set any standard, they are atypical. However, I have come across this more than this one instance. It is an issue because there are people on this thread who deny the power of social influence on children.

I can imagine that some schools may have a larger number of students than some people expect to see.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 13:15

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PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:16

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:09

It's 76 children. 36 whose families claim they are trans, and the rest are gender fluid.

If you google rapid onset gender dysphoria, your find all the necessary links.

I know but that's not the claim that was made to which I am responding. It's p6 at 10:18

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:16

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Again, back to your condescending post about what I should or should not be interested in and how I should spend my time, you know nothing about my or my child. And you are quite wrong about 'the child' you are now believing you know the motivation of.

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:17

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:14

I did not say they set any standard, they are atypical. However, I have come across this more than this one instance. It is an issue because there are people on this thread who deny the power of social influence on children.

I can imagine that some schools may have a larger number of students than some people expect to see.

To be honest, I think your child and their friends are winding you up. Successfully.

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:20

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:16

I know but that's not the claim that was made to which I am responding. It's p6 at 10:18

Got it. It looked like the screenshot was of US gender clinics, which had gone from one or two to is estimated to be about 300 supplying medical intervention for gender issues.

I don't know what the other screenshot is

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:21

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 13:17

To be honest, I think your child and their friends are winding you up. Successfully.

No. They were not winding me up. I didn't even know half of them so why would they be doing that?

At least two of them that I do know were seeking treatment.

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:22

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Strewth 😁

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:23

There's really no point in denying the social contagion of this ideology, on this board.

Most of us have been talking about it for 10 years

Sorry 10 fucking years

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:26

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:23

There's really no point in denying the social contagion of this ideology, on this board.

Most of us have been talking about it for 10 years

Sorry 10 fucking years

yes, we have been fucking discussing it for years and the same dismissals keep coming.

PumpkinTwistyWindToots · 26/11/2025 13:28

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:23

There's really no point in denying the social contagion of this ideology, on this board.

Most of us have been talking about it for 10 years

Sorry 10 fucking years

Anyone who is denying this is not operating from a position of good faith IMO

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:30

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 10:29

Were they precocious puberty patients or patients taking the drugs for their identity? Because there is a significant difference.

The 'sterilisation' aspect comes from female patients going straight onto testosterone programs. And with testosterone comes atrophy of the female reproductive organs. Plus, there is significant concerns about female people who have taken testosterone having children, and this is still being documented from the athletes from East Germany and their families.

There is also a difference of course between male and female patients.

This study is of course about the impact on male patients.

Puberty Blocker and Aging Impact on Testicular Cell States and Function

Varshini Murugesh, Megan Ritting, Salem Salem, Syed Mohammed Musheer Aalam, Joaquin Garcia, Asma J Chattha, Yulian Zhao, David JHF Knapp, Guruprasad Kalthur, Candace F Granberg, Nagarajan Kannan

March 27, 2024.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.23.586441v1.full

Abstract

Spermatogonial stem cell (SSC) acquisition of meiotogenetic state during puberty to produce genetically diverse gametes is blocked by drugs collectively referred as ‘puberty blocker’ (PB). Investigating the impact of PB on juvenile SSC state and function is challenging due to limited tissue access and clinical data. Herein, we report largest clinically annotated juvenile testicular biorepository with all children with gender dysphoria on chronic PB treatment highlighting shift in pediatric patient demography in US. At the tissue level, we report mild-to-severe sex gland atrophy in PB treated children. We developed most extensive integrated single-cell RNA dataset to date (>100K single cells; 25 patients), merging both public and novel (52 month PB-treated) datasets, alongside innovative computational approach tailed for germ cells and evaluated the impact of PB and aging on SSC. We report novel constitutional ranges for each testicular cell type across the entire age spectrum, distinct effects of treatments on prepubertal vs adult SSC, presence of spermatogenic epithelial cells exhibiting post-meiotic-state, irrespective of age, puberty status, or PB treatment. Further, we defined distinct effects of PB and aging on testicular cell lineage composition, and SSC meiotogenetic state and function. Using single cell data from prepubertal and young adult, we were able to accurately predict sexual maturity based both on overall cell type proportions, as well as on gene expression patterns within each major cell type. Applying these models to a PB-treated patient that they appeared pre-pubertal across the entire tissue. This combined with the noted gland atrophy and abnormalities from the histology data raise a potential concern regarding the complete ’reversibility’ and reproductive fitness of SSC. The biorepository, data, and research approach presented in this study provide unique opportunity to explore the impact of PB on testicular reproductive health.

And an article

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13276501/Mayo-Clinic-puberty-blockers-trans-kids-fertility-cancer-medicine.html

Just a reminder.

If posters are going to deny sterility, they do need to be specific about which sex they are referring to.

Cantunseeit · 26/11/2025 13:38

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 12:13

Based on the latest census, even the largest schools in the UK will have a (low) single digits number of children who are currently identifying as trans or will go on to identify as trans in adulthood.

I'm going to firmly suggest a claim of double digits per class is quite fantastical.

In the year of the last census there were 10 girls who identified as trans in my daughter’s year group at school (that I know of - there may have been more). This was over 11% of the girls in the year group.

Obviously this is anecdotal but it seems pretty consistent with wider anecdotal evidence and with Cass’ observation of the “school to clinic pipeline”

in the meantime, methodological issues with the phrasing of the question around trans identities makes the census numbers unreliable.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 13:42

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Cantunseeit · 26/11/2025 13:52

The school isn’t. I am. I knew of 10 girls with trans identities in the year group. That’s why I said that there may be more I was not aware of

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:54

It wasn't long ago that GIRES recommended holding a full assembly every time a kid came out as trans and giving them a cake to celebrate.

but I'm guessing as soon as it became evident that social contagion was at work, they no longer wanted that information publicly available

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:56

Oh dear, it looks like the cleaning person's posts have all been deleted.

Presumably a PBP.

quantumbutterfly · 26/11/2025 13:57

SexRealismBeliefs · 26/11/2025 07:57

Let’s start a trans species movement.

You can give your teeth filed down on NHS, and tattoos to give you stripes.

I recommend that you allow tigers to have separate toilets though.

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