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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting

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IwantToRetire · 26/11/2025 01:06

Saw this being shared on facebook. Quote:

No child is born in the wrong body.

I cannot believe we are back to square one, with NHS England backing an experimental trial of puberty blockers on healthy, vulnerable children, ignoring the damage already done.

The No1 rule of medicine is "do no harm".
This is activist ideology masquerading as research.

I'm urging MPs of all parties to sign this letter from me and Shadow Health Secretary Stuart Andrew for Daventry, calling for Wes Streeting to step in and stop this trial before more damage is done to children who are too young to understand what they are doing to themselves.

https://www.facebook.com/kemibadenoch/posts/pfbid02c3rSBKCtNCY5qHeLVtJN94j4MhB7fZnoW159VXbzJUBdrMrDDbC3C4v6KX3W7MEbl

No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting
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Datun · 26/11/2025 12:41

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 26/11/2025 12:38

Unfortunately it did happen, but it wasn’t PBs, it was estrogen. Still a dreadful practice, with negative long-term side-effects for a “problem” that was entirely cosmetic (see my post above…).

Pretty certain this person has been in the news recently. The story sounds very familiar.

But yes, if it's not puberty blockers then it's completely irrelevant to a puberty blocker trial.

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Datun · 26/11/2025 12:42

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We know about precocious puberty. This isn't news to anyone here.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 12:43

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TheKeatingFive · 26/11/2025 12:44

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Well then she did get them for precious puberty then. You can't even keep your own story straight.

To reiterate, 7 years, to age 13 would be an extraordinary length of time to be on PB for PP.

TheKeatingFive · 26/11/2025 12:45

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This would be absolutely extraordinary if the started them at 6.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 12:46

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Northquit · 26/11/2025 12:46

They have data. They need to collect the data and read it. And then do one.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 12:49

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Datun · 26/11/2025 12:49

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Haha!!

Women can swear at who the fuck they like.

Seriously.

We're pretty good at it, too 🤣

Chersfrozenface · 26/11/2025 12:49

endofthelinefinally · 26/11/2025 12:26

Are you sure you don't mean ethinyloestradiol? (It is a synthetic oestrogen used to suppress growth in very tall girls). I can't find anything about using puberty blockers temporarily to reduce height growth.

I see that high-dose estradiol can be used in "gender affirming care" with boys-who-say-they-want-to-be-girls in combination with puberty blockers, in order to limit their height in adulthood to a range closer to that of biological women.

I think that's why the poster is confusing ethinyloestradiol with puberty blockers.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 12:50

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Datun · 26/11/2025 12:51

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Summon moderators?

ThatBlackCat · 26/11/2025 12:52

Tone-policing women is so 1970s. Women and feminists are angry and have every single right to be angry! But women are shamed if we don't speak in soft dulcet tones. Heaven forbid a woman ever get angry. And heaven forbid women ever throw in a hearty 'fuck' when it's called for.

I feel like we're back in the 1940s. This is 2025.

Greyskybluesky · 26/11/2025 12:52

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viques · 26/11/2025 12:53

Since the trial is going to be randomised what do they think will happen to the self esteem of the kids who are in the placebo group, these are already vulnerable children, often with problems of anxiety, eating disorders, autism. They will pretty soon realise that they are not getting the puberty blockers and this can only exacerbate their already poor mental health.

They are likely to see not getting the PB as personal, not as the consequences of a randomised trial. This really is toying with childrens mental health in a very cynical way. You really shouldn’t take immature, mentally vulnerable children and deliberately put them into a situation which is almost guaranteed to cause them additional anxiety and mental stress. If you do you need to fully accept the responsibility for what harm these distressed children may do to themselves.

We already know that the children randomly selected to be in the PB group face long term physical harm through taking the PB, now it seems to me that the trial is setting up the Non PB group to suffer additional mental harm.

These are children, what sort of adults feel this trial has any value, let alone the possibility of any positive outcomes whatsoever?

Datun · 26/11/2025 12:54

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Removed from the space?

Good grief.

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 12:54

Datun · 26/11/2025 12:24

It would appear to be the nature of social contagion.

And once this ideology was prevented from being taught in schools, the Tavistock closed down, Mermaids discredited and everything started to be debunked, the contagion lessened.

But Here you go

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6426961/Fashionable-Brighton-school-40-children-not-identify-sex-birth.html

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Mr Bradford told the Sunday Times: 'The number of ''openly trans children'' who had approached us with their families to say that they are transgender [was] much lower.'

So, less than 40 trans children and even if all 40 were trans, the school has 1600 pupils which is 2.5% not 60%.

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Datun · 26/11/2025 13:00

PollyNomial · 26/11/2025 12:54

From the article:
Mr Bradford told the Sunday Times: 'The number of ''openly trans children'' who had approached us with their families to say that they are transgender [was] much lower.'

So, less than 40 trans children and even if all 40 were trans, the school has 1600 pupils which is 2.5% not 60%.

It was reported at the time as 70 children. Not 70%, or 60%.

At one point there were many women on here who all had children who were either trans or non-binary or who had friends who were. Likewise teachers reporting the same.

There was a 4000% increase in girls showing up at gender clinics.

I don't think it's possible to deny the social contagion element of this ideology.

once the DfE stopped it being celebrated in schools and taught as fact, the fad started to fade.

Datun · 26/11/2025 13:01

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You not wanting people to swear is irrelevant. There are no guidelines against swearing.

You can say fuck all the live long day.

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 13:01

Not sure what this trial is expected to produce that other trials have not already produced.

No study into outcomes has produced results that show children have improved long term mental health with gender affirming treatments that involve drugs or surgery so far. What is it that this one is testing that is expected to produce a different result?

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