Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3

[SexRealistic]

For background please read here:

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

As @SexRealistic says But the suggestion he’s the guiding hand on policy that allows biological women into single sex spaces allows for a clear inference of bias.
Guiding hand demonstrates more than a little commitment to Trans pov over a considerable time. he was not merely a rank and file member.

Yes, this.

I’m not convinced the application against mckeown is a strong one but IANAL

maybe he also has a health condition though

A quick but emphatic thanks to all expert posters, diligent paste-rs and stubborn pester-ers of dodgy credentials and claims. I was trying to take some time out from here, made the mistake of clicking on the last thread, and am now hopelessly stuck reading. The knowledge, research and analysis are mind-blowing.

ETA: I was a Pixie Sixer, too! Not a very good one...

Me too. I graffitied on the church organ. 😳

This is one of those 'WTAF- is this code or what? posts 😂

I guess that if Mr McKeown was not fully supportive of the Union's position on Trans et al, then there must be some sort of minutes, conference reports or video footage of him standing up to oppose?

Should be easy to find

If the judge doesn't grant the recusal what is Naomi's next move? Apply elsewhere or let the case run and appeal if the outcome is unsatisfactory?

I would think gout. 😀

When I try I just get the one the chives sang in The Herbs.

This is one of those apparently gnomic statements that makes me feel like I have missed out on cultural riches. 😁

Things restarting.

I'm going to set up the next thread, it's getting close!!

I'm getting naff all work done here

In your research; did you discover any other areas of Trade Union work that MM pursued, such as H& S, workers hours. oor only this topic?

done

All the six songs on here https://www.aguidinglife.co.uk/2015/02/brownie-ring-and-six-songs.html

he was staff. Like the civil service, paid to do the bidding of the members, whether he believed it or not. NC said he was a Council member but I think he was there in attendance and not as a member.

Having said that, if he had been approached by a TW member wanting support to use the women's loo, I suspect he would have agreed without thinking it's illegal.

There’s an awful lot of naughty brownies on this thread 🤣

From NW

We have it - C says R "misunderstands the Claimant's submissions. Her contention is not that Mr Mckeown shares the view of the Union or that all members or officers share the same political opinions; there is no...

"evidence of either. Her contention is that as a very senior and long-standing officer of the Union, the fair-minded and informed observer would reasonably fear that Mr McKeown...

... might be swayed by loyalty to the Union’s officially-endorsed positions, which was the conclusion arrived at by the EAT in Higgs v Farmor’s School."

On to the contention that the judge cannot sit alone:

"the relevant provisions are as follows. Article 6(1) of the Its(NI) Order 1996 provides: “(1) Subject to the following provisions of this Article... proceedings before an...

... industrial tribunal shall be heard by (a) the person who, in accordance with regulations made under Article 3(1), is the chairman, and...

... (b) two other members, or (with the consent of the parties) one other member…"

"Paragraphs (2) and (3) provide for certain kinds of proceedings to be heard by a chairman (now employment judge) alone...

Exactly, he should have raised it and state that he doesn't believe that it will cloud his judgement and let the SM team make an application if they so wished which could then be refused on those grounds. The fact he didn't mention it, even on Friday, is the problem.

I think also that part of the case being put to the tribunal is that BFF would have had an investigation if SM had let it proceed but she couldn't because they would only allow her to be accompanied by a union rep or a colleague. She couldn't bring a union rep because the unions are so captured and wasn't allowed colleague because not currently on contract.

So, given his role in Unions and the clash between her speech and the Union he represents this is not as simple as merely belonging to an organisation from which you can divorce yourself from in other circs like an ET.

Shall we also set up a thread on Brownies, etc? As so many people want to discuss whether or not they were in the Brownies/Scouts/Rufty Tufty Club/grew up in the seventies, so we can actually follow the court action on the relevant thread without pages of "My mum wouldn't let me join!"?

What was it? Well-behaved women rarely make history...?

Bias and perception of bias

I do wonder if there's a whole generation whose world view has been shaped by watching 60s hippy TV The Magic Roundabout and The Herbs.

Why would workers hours be relevant here to this tribunal?
Not sure of your point. Can you clarify please?