Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3

[SexRealistic]

For background please read here:

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

From NW

Please note the extracts above are not the complete application nor response. There is a submission in reply to the response which we have not yet seen as it hasn't been given to us. I have requested it.

Clever and an early example of repeated recycling.

it would be an illuminating search, like that of Diogenes?

<breathes sigh of relief as NW stops>

Now I'll go back and read them all.

Why are the Respondants so automatically determined to oppose these recusals? Why not just stay neutral on the matter? Feels like they are just being combative for the sake of it and wanting to curry favour with panel, rather than wanting the fairest outcome and entetaining the possibility that they may have a point.

Initiative, thrift and hard work.
Highly commended

I think the point about MM and NIPSA here is not what he thinks, believes or even did or didn't do while he was TUS Whitley, but that there were many times last week when it would have been the right, transparent and advisable thing to do to out his hand up and point out the potential for him appearing to be at risk of bias.

This could have been raised, discussed, acknowledged and discounted.

It is the fact that he did not, at any point, when seeing the NIPSA logo on the bundle or hearing SM evidence about sss think, 'oh, I did forward a lot of emails and collate a response about that a few years ago, best point that out.'

This is your 10-minute warning.

I think he’s retired from NIPSA.

But the suggestion he’s the guiding hand on policy that allows biological women into single sex spaces allows for a clear inference of bias.

So if the judge does recuse him it's back to the drawing board?

Yes to this all day long

Mine too.

Quote from R's reply
"is on its own sufficient to cause the fair-minded and informed observer to conclude that there was a real possibility of bias."

He obviously isn't on Mumsnet, because our "fair-minded and impartial observers came to that conclusion several days ago!

For what?

We're going to need a new thread by the time the judgement's given, aren't we...?

I was in brownies but we were allowed to dispense with the ‘do my duty to queen’ in the oath.

I can't imagine NC overlooking this point though so maybe there is a work around (eg in the case of sickness at a late stage in proceedings?)

From NW

It is coming.

Yes.

Indeed, NIPSA have previously been criticised by this Tribunal on that basis that "the tribunal does not exist to provide a public forum...
... for the periodic ventilation of obscure and internecine disputes within Nipsa" (see Fleck & Mackel v NIPSA 43/15FET & 1503 IT)"

Both sides are reading this thread, then. 😁

From the Respondent:
"The logic of the Claimant's argument, if extended to other cases, would mean that a panel member who holds unionist political opinions could not sit on a Fair Employment Tribunal...
... panel in a case brought by someone who supports the unification of Ireland. That is patently absurd."

That is an incorrect analogy. Unlike the example, it is not an aside to the case here, it is at the centre of the case. SM spoke out about women’s rights, and how Trans Ideology is trampling over women’s rights as a sex class. MMcK appears to be involved in his Union pushing the ideology which is damaging to women’s rights. He appears not to be neutral or non-partisan on women’s rights as he apparently was (is?) involved in pushing for trans ideology to over ride women’s rights.

Mine neither. Is there a theme developing here?

I did wonder this, especially as NC's case going so well.

I realise there are cost implications involved in starting again, but given that it looks like his side are losing and they would get another bite of the cherry if it halted, why is he so keen to oppose?

It's evidence (maybe slight) that he doesn't think it's an issue - that TWAW (as a shorthand) is an unremarkable position, something neutral, part of the wall paper. It never occurred to him to raise it.

That's a problem.

I was an imp, yellow with big ears iirc. I don't remember the imp ditty. When I try I just get the one the chives sang in The Herbs. I wasn't a seconder or a sixer.