Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival - Thread 2

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Continuation of previous thread - don’t have all the details to hand to add here, so if someone can pop them on, pls do! Want to get this up quickly!

Wouldn’t it be better to hold a recusal hearing in front of a different judge? I’ve no idea how these things work.

Ah she's the waste management one!

From NW

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PB's background is in waste management and a basic understanding of what an Enterprising Women's Network does is probably promoting women in business - how that is objectionable I have no idea. Then without any evidence whatsoever there is a suggestion without any evidence whatsover thta you became aware
"that is an outrageous attack on the integrity of this tribunal" there is no evidence whatsoever to support it. i leave it to you to make your mind up as to whether that is correct. You can deal with that. we then have the next theory about the RRO and that somehow the panel became spooked by the use of correct sex pronouns. I leave it to you to decide how far wide of the net that one was. I am quite certain it is laughably wide. No fair minded observer can say that there is a real risk of bias. There's no evidence that PB did any work with the WRDA. All we know is that one stage is that she was a director of EWN - a commendable thing, I would suggest, rather than something that should draw crit. "R apps are rare but I have to say I have never heard one so rare, so based on conspiracy theory, so clearly based on supposition." Clearly the C wants a second bite of the cherry on this case. you should dismiss it. "It's contemptible and rises nowhere near the level required by the authorities for recusal." Unless there's anything further you'd like me to address judge...
J thank you SD - NC? Rebuttal?
NC yes

Some of us are, I’d say. Reasonable doesn’t mean neutral.

But how is she a professor then? I don’t get it??

This shows the value of having Charlotte Elves on your team.

Whether she just happened to be really computer-savvy or she made a point of studying this area, her expertise is going to stand her in very good stead. She will be in high demand.

I'm posting the raw text so you have it asap, then formatting and editing my posts so it's more readable.

Hope this is ok.

Well for a waste management specialist she's causing a lot of wasted time here.

From NW

NC [goes to same authority] what is strikingly diff about these circs and that case is there's something more that is requisite. she cites par 42 from Lewis "In Lewis v Redcar and Cleveland [2009] 1WLR 83, the court of appeal provided
guidance as to the approach to be adopted in cases involving apparent bias and
predetermination as a form of bias. All three members of the court of appeal delivered
written judgments. Pill, LJ reviewed a number of the authorities delivered since the
decision in Porter v Magill. With regard to the Porter v Magill test and the correct
approach of the court to the possibility of predetermination, Pill LJ stated as follows: “68. … Where reference was made to the fair-minded
observer, the court was putting itself in the shoes of that
observer and making its own assessment of the real
possibility of predetermination. That, I respectfully agree, is
the appropriate approach in these circumstances. The court
with its expertise, must take on responsibility of deciding
whether there is a real risk that minds were closed.”

I don't get how DB is a professor if no one can find a body of academic work or a position or a CV or any kind of work history for her.

Is she actually a professor and it is not an honorary title?

'No fair minded observer can say that there is a real risk of bias'

Well I'm fair minded and I wondered about it! 🤣

Sometimes the term Professor is honorary. If some university somewhere on the planet has conferred it she'd have the right to use it, could be that? Speculation of course.

I remember asking on here during one of the much earlier GC employment tribunals if employment tribunals were always quite so dramatic like warning a tv drama and being told no, they’re mostly very dull. I’m not sure I believe that to be true as every one I’ve followed since has had at least one moment of high drama! 😱

From NW

NC there has been a significant difference in the treatment of our xes approaching the substance of the debate between trans activism and sex realism - worst by a long way was the scurrilous and wholly erroneous suggestion that she had acted in a blatantly...

Worth remembering how desperate transactivists have been to influence / silence the judiciary. The trans extremist version of the bench book (that had to be revised so biased was it), special secret training for the judiciary by trans extremists that nobody is allowed to know about, the CPS putting out guidance for schools threatening girls that failing to welcome males into female toilets / changing rooms is a hate crime (also withdrawn in the face of a judicial review).
If you can nobble the judiciary (and the police) you can successfully decriminalise sex crimes of voyeurism and indecent exposure and criminalise those seeking to speak about women's rights and child safeguarding.

She might be a Visiting Professor. Not necessarily an academic but an industry expert giving advice to students.

the one whose LinkedIn profile lists her education as 8 GCSE O levels?? Very puzzling.

From NW

.. transphobic manner - put to the claimant and then added to the case at the last moment purely to prejudice her in the tribunal's mind. The other thing is that bias is not about fairness to parties it's about public confidence in the fairness of justice.

Second profile here: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/the-golden-girls/28534941.html

My bingo card is now 8 x 8.

From NW

NC [goes back to Boyd's agitation and departure earlier this week] suggests this might give the appearance of bias to the journalist who approached us and possibly others
SD's suggestion that we want a second bite of the cherry and would do anything to "crack this hearing"

She could indeed be a visiting or honorary professor somewhere. You'd still expect her to be listed on that university's web page as such, I think.

From NW

SD doesn't make sense - quite apart from the cost and delay - the C's case has been going strikingly well. The idea we would do that when things have been going "swimmingly" so far, that goes very close to an allegation of misconduct on behalf of the claimant's legal team

From NW

and should not have been made in these circs.

Yes NC!!