Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

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A transgender mother who underwent medical treatment to breastfeed her newborn son is suing a breastfeeding expert who publicly dismissed her experience as a 'delusional queer theory take'.

Former Australian Breastfeeding Association volunteer counsellor Jasmine Sussex will face a Queensland tribunal next year over claims she discriminated against Brisbane transgender woman Jennifer Adrian Buckley.

The tribunal will decide if Ms Buckley was discriminated against under the Queensland Anti-Discrimination Act over a series of social media posts by Ms Sussex.

Article continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274697/Jennifer-Buckley-Jasmine-Sussex-transgender-breastfeeding.html

NB Use of propouns at those in the article. So any complaints should go straight to the DM!

Amazing how open these posters that hold some type of degree in human biology as to what a man versus a woman is supposed to be. Fortunately, Ms. Buckley is located in Queensland, Australia, which has anti-discrimination laws in place, which is why she's suing and the law (unless someone in here is possibly involved with a law degree here too) recognizes her as a female since that's what we're supposed to live by. Second, YOUR OWN NHS says that they have studied this and say there's nothing wrong with it - as noted by their Certified Breastfeeding Counselors (see link below). All because as I've read and heard time and time again, there's nothing that helps mother and child bond closer than this. And I've heard countless times about how "if my husband" or "if my male partner" knew what it was like, well are people going to say how it's a male perversion to want to have that same desire? Strange how these makeshift devices are being made for men so they can have the same attachment and help bond with their baby (see link below) and also help alleviate some responsibility from mom so she can get a break, since some don't always take a bottle. Well again, gotta say "bless your heart" to all of the "open-minded" posters who are so willing to destroy an entire a group of people without knowing anything about them. People and their glass houses.

Trans Women’s Milk as Good as Breast Milk, Says NHS Trust

male breastfeeding device

I remember all the “don’t drink this” or “don’t eat that” when breastfeeding mine. Now you can take a cocktail of drugs to make moob juice and just feed it to a baby. I don’t know how medical staff are overriding their own disgust response to help someone do this.

The article says that breastfeeding is a sex-specific thing, but actually men do have breast tissue, which is why they can get breast cancer. And the reason they have nipples is because we all start off female. Given the right hormonal stimulation, it's actually not surprising that they can produce milk. Weird as it sounds, they do actually have the physical equipment for it - nipples and a bit of breast tissue. But only a bit, so I suppose they would never produce very much. Yes, only biological women can produce milk without any intervention, but this is a reminder that men do, indeed, have somewhat female breasts!

I imagine medical staff are less judgmental than average. They must have truly seen it all. They're probably just glad they're not dealing with a death or a tragedy.

Yes this

What mother wants her child to suckle on a biological man’s fake breasts which have no natural hormonal response and have them ingest hormones that are likely to be very medically harmful?

As a poster said upthread this is a documented erotic fixation. An infant is responsive to caregivers and being presented with a very likely surgically enhanced breast will encourage to to suck on the breast. Voila a man has a live stimulant for his preference and pleasure.

This has nothing to do with the nurture and best interests of the child.

Destroying a truth speaker’s life in the aftermath is just an added bonus.

No I think they know that all 8 billion people on the planet have come from mothers and the vast majority are breast fed by mothers.

Seeing a man validated to expose his fake enhanced sexual body parts and have a child stimulate them is a new level of perversion. No care giver should want to see a child harmed.

It seems actual medical staff wanted to safeguard the baby:

Doctors and midwives were initially reluctant to allow Ms Buckley to breastfeed in hospital, citing safety concerns. She later fed her baby at home using stored milk.

Yes, and oestrogen as he'd been expressing for months - and this weird hormone cocktail is all the boy got for the first few days, as his mother was too ill 😡

Looking forward to the announcements the child is 'trans' due to effects of wrong-hormone feeding by pervy father and captured mother.

Hi @NumbersGuy

It’s pretty clear between the pair of people presenting as women - who the man is. No one needs a degree in biology.

But just in case you are sex blind as a choice the big give away is the man is the one who needs an endocrinologist and a cocktail of expensive hormones to induce lactation. And then posts about it on breastfeeding forums to women.

Over 24 hours this biological male says he produces 40mls. That’s less than three tablespoons. To pump to express you need to pump at least every three hours, 8 times over a 24 hour period. So each pumping (breast stimulation session) will provide 5mls. So 20mins of your breasts being stimulated for a trickle of milk. That person is out action for the 20mins or so the pumping and clean up session takes. A caring parent would not remove themselves from caregiving for so long for no nutritional benefit.

Average volume required by an average newborn over 24 hours is 600mls.

As the breast is not a normally responsive female breast - the baby will have to spend longer at the breast and given the total failure of production to any level that could sustain a child - the energy they expend on suckling the breast is negative to the calories it will receive. Further it’s time spent away from the mother who has milk producing breasts to keep the child fed. This can impact her production leading to more negative outcomes longer term.

So this man gets a lot of stimulation on an artificial sexual body part from an infant. Even if the milk is medically safe (there is no peer reviewed science on this point) the effort in actually feeding the child has no nutritional benefit.

The baby is a prop.
The man is a man.
The laws are upholding a fallacy.
The mother is using her baby as a tool for this man’s externalised and public fetish.
This is not about the welfare of a child.

Normla parents want to focus on nourishing their child, not breast stimulation every three hours and having a child suckle on medically induced breasts for no nutritional / calorific benefit.

I am not throwing stones. People are concerned for the welfare of a child. And rightly so.

We don’t all start off as female. Nipples are formed before sex is determined. It’s too simplistic to say we start as females. There’s a stage where all human embryos briefly have a tail which regresses. No one says: "Everyone starts as a monkey and loses the tail."
Starting female would surely mean having XX and developing ovaries and then switching but that’s not what happens.

This story is so gross. I feel for the medical staff who have to deal with people like this. I hope the baby is ok.

Male humans do have breasts. That is true.

However, they have male breasts. The anatomy of a male breast is very different from the anatomy of a female breast.

Would any of those supporting a male feeding a human infant secretions from their breasts, like to explain how male 'breast tissue' becomes the interactive system that is behind the breast and endocrine system of a female person?

Because a female breast is in fact just that. A male person can never have the genetic coding to have the interactive feedback system that a female person has to feed infants. For a start, a male person also has not got the endocrine system set up through nine months of pregnancy with a highly complex system of hormones, receptors and other things that allow a female body's programming to produce a milk that matches their infant's development.

Only just coming through is research showing that there is a system where female breastmilk is always modifying with specific gut microbes just as their infant needs them. It has been understood that there is a complex interaction system in place where a female body adjusts milk composition even depending on the temperature to deliver more hydration as and when needed.

The female breast is part of a very complex endocrine system tailored specifically to the infant that the body has just delivered. How can a male genetically coded endocrine system have the same capability when the body will simply not have the same receptors etc to enable the processing of compounds that signal modification of the substance being produced for an infant?

Baby is now 6.

Their father has spent most of the child life bringing this case.

He even says himself breastfeeding was short lived (ie he didn’t actually feed his child to any level for any length of time) but is still taking about it 6 years later.

How very male of him!

I;m pretty sure that the "dr" mentioned Naomi something is the one they always drag out when there is any kind of trans debate. If it's her she also doesn't think men have any advantage in sport. Like to see her in wrestling.

Humans do not all start of 'female'.

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/watch/do-we-all-begin-female

Please don't spread misinformation. Embryos start off 'undifferentiated' for the first stage of development. There is a huge difference. An embryo destined to become a male foetus is not 'female' just because it is in an undifferentiated state. It is genetically coded already from the sperm.

Buckley should be sued for attempting to poison a child, his wife should be sued for being complicit, and as a proud mother who breastfed three children, one of whom while I wanted to stop but carried on anyway to support his ailing health, I will definitely die on this hill.

And Jasmine Sussex is a hero and true to her vocation.

Because the human producing the liquid is male, ergo, no one should control his body. Not like the dreadful body of this female over there, who shouldn't take milk, alcohol or medicine or else!
(I was refused 3 days of Ibuprofen by the surgeon when suffering horribly after a butched birth because I was breastfeeding. Thankfully my midwife went behind his back and I could endure)

Did you even read the link about the NHS ?

No male breast secretion has been thoroughly tested for chemical interactions from the drug regimes that are used specifically for male bodies for any prescription. Nor any combination of testosterone and other drug interactions on that secretion.

Before making statements as you have, can I suggest that you go and find what research has and has not been done. If you can find the actual research that shows that even male human testosterone is not being passed to infants (particularly female infants), please link it up before you make statements as you have.

These articles contain lists of the studies that have been done :

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/read/the-ugly-truth-of-male-breastfeeding

https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/

None of those studies have adequately tested the chemical interactions.

All that link referring to the NHS that you have provided states is that

"In August 2023, the hospital defended its stance citing evidence from five studies dating back as early as 1977. Stating “overwhelming evidence” that “human milk” is better for a baby than formula. They also cited a 2022 study which found “milk testosterone concentrations” were under one per cent with “no observable side effects” in the babies."

That link was also not NHS advice.

The link reroutes to this article below which then refers to a "letter to campaigners, the University of Sussex Hospitals NHS Trust (USHT), said that the milk produced by trans women after taking a combination of drugs, is “comparable to that produced following the birth of a baby”."

https://internationalbreastfeedinginstitute.com/2024/02/trans-womens-milk-as-good-as-breast-milk-says-nhs-trust/

That NHS Trust finally put out the following in an FOI statement months later

"there have been a small number of occasions when (biological/cis) female partners of new mothers have expressed a wish to participate in the feeding process as well. The Trust is not aware of any instances where transwomen / biological men have expressed a wish to be helped to feed their partner’s child themselves.”

Also that reference to testosterone in breastmilk may be this study:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34490813/

The breastmilk of ONE woman was tested. A female person's exogenous testosterone was tested at 80 mg. I believe that male levels of naturally produced testosterone is higher and men receiving the same testosterone chemical as this female person will also be higher than 80 mg.

I also point out, this was an infant human being experimented on to produce this data. It was also a very short term study, no long term follow up study has been released on any infant that has been subjected to testosterone in breast milk. None.

Of course though, it was also just one baby. Do you really believe that advice to the world about infant nutrition should be based on such a weak evidence base? Why?

And could you please also explain what the direct benefit is to the infant to be fed a untested secretion

"they do actually have the physical equipment for it - nipples and a bit of breast tissue."

They have nipples and they have male breast tissue. Even when those male people put their breasts through the maturation process that occurs during female puberty and pregnancy, it is still male breast tissue. How would a male person develop the female endocrine system and other female body systems that support breastfeeding?

For any one else who is interested, these resources are a good place to start:

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/read/the-ugly-truth-of-male-breastfeeding

https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/

After that leaked letter from the Sussex NHS Trust, these are some more links addressing the issue.

This article by Children of Transitioners is in response to the Sussex NHS Trust

Safeguarding Concerns in the NHS

22 Feb 2024

Many readers have seen Children of Transitioners’ letter from Sussex NHS Trust (thanks for your help Lottie/ Biology Matters project) link here.

Policy Exchange Biology Matters COTS Letter

Many press reports focus on the male secretion content rather than the ethics of unnecessary experiments with unlicensed drugs on babies or the use of infants in sexual paraphilias such as lactation fetish. There is no understanding that children with a parent who is trans should be safeguarded as other children are. The conflicts between the NHS LGBT/Stonewall rainbow badge scheme requirements and the rights and safeguarding of children of transitioners were apparently not noticed by NHS safeguarding staff before the scheme was heavily funded.

Since May 2023, we have been waiting for NHS England’s safeguarding team to respond to the safeguarding concerns and regulatory, legal, human rights and ethical failures we raised. We are therefore releasing this email so everyone can access our concerns.

See full article to read email to NHS Safeguarding - it contains terms and information that would probably get this post deleted:

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/02/22/safeguarding-concerns-in-the-nhs/
Archived: https://archive.ph/EyFQO

WRN has also put out a statement:

NO TO MALE "BREASTFEEDING

A Statement addressing attempts to normalise male 'breastfeeding'

Recent claims from the Medical Director of University Hospitals Sussex NHS Trust that 'human milk' produced following 'induced lactation' as 'ideal for infants' is scientifically unproven and constitutes a dangerous escalation in the 'gender' and 'inclusion' narrative.

WRN strongly condemns the latest attempts to normalise the notion that males can sustainably produce the nutritional requirements of an infant. They cannot do so and should not be encouraged to try.

Breastfeeding is a complex biological process. A mother's milk adapts to the changing needs of her baby, providing essential nutrients and antibodies tailored to support the infant's growth and development. Colostrum is particularly important in preparing a baby’s gut for life outside the womb. Males do not possess the necessary physiological mechanisms to replicate this process.
Breastfeeding operates on a supply-and-demand basis. A baby's suckling stimulates milk production in the mother. Allowing a male to put a baby to his nipple can disrupt this delicate balance, affecting the mother's milk supply and compromising the infant's nutritional intake.

There exists a disturbing trend among male trans activists who openly use breastfeeding and breast milk fetishism for sexual gratification. This is the most dangerous aspect of a culture that seeks to affirm and validate identities rather than maintaining a sharp focus on the risks to the health and welfare of the baby and the mother. Greater effort should go towards providing support for women who want to breastfeed.

It is the responsibility of all media outlets to do due diligence and report only the facts on this topic, and to use clear language that does not obscure the sex of those being reported. There is insufficient evidence to support male breastfeeding and no research on the effects on the infant.

NHS Trusts have a duty of care to ensure that all published information and reference sources on induced lactation are based on rigorous scientific evidence and priority must be placed on the well-being of the baby.

We appeal to Victoria Atkins MP as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care to intervene, and insist that the NHS provides ethical, factual guidance based on evidence from accepted research.

https://www.womensrights.network/breastfeeding-statement

Archived: https://archive.ph/1tsCY

Another recent case study.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13006-024-00624-1

Case presentation

In this case a 37-year-old transgender woman, who was under the care of the centre of expertise on gender dysphoria in Amsterdam, and in 2020 started lactation induction because she had the wish to breastfeed her future infant. She was in a relationship with a cisgender woman and had been using gender affirming hormone therapy for 13 years. Prior to initiating gender affirming hormone therapy she had cryopreserved her semen. Her partner conceived through Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection, using our patient’s cryopreserved sperm.

To induce lactation, we implemented a hormone-regimen to mimic pregnancy, using estradiol and progesterone, and a galactogogue; domperidone. Our patient started pumping during treatment. Dosage of progesterone and estradiol were significantly decreased approximately one month before childbirth to mimic delivery and pumping was increased.

Our patient started lactating and although the production of milk was low, it was sufficient for supplementary feeding and a positive experience for our patient.

Two weeks after birth, lactation induction was discontinued due to suckling problems of the infant and low milk production.
Conclusions

This case report underlined that lactation induction protocols commonly used for cisgender women are also effective in transgender women. However, the amount of milk produced may not be sufficient for exclusive nursing.

Nevertheless, success of induced lactation may be attributed to its importance for parent-infant bonding, rather than the possibility of exclusive chestfeeding.

As if to demonstrate how depraved this whole scenario is, Pink News celebrates a man who has an OnlyFans account so other man can pay to watch him "breastfeeding":

Archived to avoid giving clicks to PN:

Yes, trans women can breastfeed too. Here’s why it’s safe, healthy and good for both mum and baby
Feb 19 2024
https://archive.is/JkniV

Novel Lactation Induction Protocol for a Transgender Woman Wishing to Breastfeed: A Case Report

Esme D. Trahair, Sarah Kokosa, Andy Weinhold, Heather Parnell, Andrea B. Dotson, and Carly E. Kelley

27 March 2024

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/bfm.2024.0012

Background: Lactation induction in transgender women is a clinical and research priority in the field of breastfeeding medicine. To date, there are four case reports detailing successful induced lactation in transgender patients who wished to breastfeed. The Academy of Breast Feeding Medicine does not formally recommend a specific medication regimen for transgender patients due to lack of high-quality research.

Case Presentation: A 50-year-old transgender woman with a hypercoagulable disorder who was able to lactate and breastfeed with novel hormone regimen management at a gender care clinic. Her baseline hormone treatment was an estradiol 0.3 mg transdermal patch every 72 hours and micronized progesterone 200 mg daily.

Results: Within four weeks of initiating a modified hormone regimen (estradiol 0.4 mg patch every 72 hours, progesterone 300 mg daily, metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily), the patient was lactating spontaneously. On multiple occasions, she breastfed and expressed up to 30 mL of milk through pumping.
Conclusion: This report offers a new effective hormone regimen for transgender patients who wish to lactate and cannot access domperidone—the galactagogue used in previous case reports. It also provides a review of previously published case reports on this subject. Future research in this field should prioritize cohort studies of transgender patients who desire lactation to further assess patient attitudes, experiences, and outcomes.

Some more background on this:

https://x.com/millihill/status/1773343604678758886?s=200
The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.
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Remember, by 7 days old an infant requires 65 ml per day.

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x553873/how-much-milk-does-my-baby-need-in-the-first-few-days

Plus this male person was given

metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily.

So, there seems to be something going on here with this 'case'. How come this male person was permitted to feed an infant while on this drug when women are told to avoid it when breastfeeding..... it really doesn't seem that the endocrinologist put this infant first at all.

https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/metoclopramide-hydrochloride/

Just adding this because it seems relevant to this discussion.

Further proof that there is lactation fetishists out there.

Page 46 of the WPATH leaked files report.

'In fact, within all the files, the sole instance where WPATH members express concern regarding the potential dangers and adverse effects of a medical procedure is found in a conversation involving a trans-identified natal male interested in hormone-induced lactation purely for the sake of experiencing it, with no intention of nursing an infant. From the information given, the patient appears to be otherwise mentally well, but his doctor described having ethical issues with this request, as it was not without some risk.'

'The replies echoed the doctor’s concerns, with one doctor calling the request unethical because it was a “medical intervention that is not necessary” and a San Francisco ethicist calling the reason for the intervention “questionable.”'

At least some medical professionals are recognising that there is 'some risk' involved with this treatment which is in NO way life saving and purely about satisfying a male's demand.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/65e64b9e5cbd756da9fbbdfa/1709591479160/Final+WPATH+Report.pdf