Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

You've either had your head in the sand for over a decade or you just see female people, even girls, as lesser humans.

Vile.

You think it's a OK for a man to see teenaged girls in the shower because despite his cock and balls he says he is a woman? Is it still OK if he is sporting an erection or can he be asked to.leave at this point?

'I know a trans woman is a man and there needs to be discussion about this subject so that the trans woman can understand he will not be in peril in the men's changing room.

The daughter just wants to exercise and get changed without being in a dangerous situation.

Blah blah blah my work mansplain etc'

Fixed it for you.

Ah here we are. It women and girls' fault for not understanding that men in womens clothes are all completely harmless. If only women and girls would understand that a man cannot harm a woman if he puts on a wig and lipstick. All those cases of transwomen attacking women and girls? Oh they weren't real transwomen. They were just pretending. The high level of transwomen in prison for violent sexual offences? Oh those are just made up hate statistics by the prison service and the Ministry of Justice. Come on ladies, there's a man here telling you that men in womens spaces aren't a safeguarding risk. Don't you worry your little heads. If a man wanted to rape or sexually assault you he'd find another way anyway, so no need for any safeguarding nonsense.

Oh, except in tape centres. Because despite TWAW if they work in a rape centre they are someone NOT real women so shouldn't be there. Oh, and rapists. If a transwoman rapes someone then he's just a man, so no harm done ladies.

I agree but to me it is not even just about danger. It is far more sinister. This is not a hypothetical situation as it happened where I live. The girls were basically told that they had no rights to any boundaries. They had to put aside their discomfort. The tw in question could have easily used the male changing rooms (and had been recently with no problems) or accepted a separate changing space. No, this person insisted that the young women should be present too. I cannot understate how detrimental this is. Why on earth do you think women should be taught that their boundaries do not count when it comes to validating what men want?

Thank you all for an interesting debate. I'm sorry to those of you whom I upset, it was not my intention.
I should point out i got most of my views from women, including my mother who is fully accepting of the trans community.

The point that you are forgetting is that you are taking away the option for the person that doesn't want to get changed in front of someone that is the opposite sex.

Many people have issues with their bodies and they deserve the right to change with dignity and privacy without having to be forced to do so in front of a male (whatever their reason for being in the women's changing room).

Yes, this wasn't disaggregated.

I would like to see some more polling on these issues. Maybe in the run up to the May 26 elections we'll get some more data.

No. You thought you would come on a predominantly women's site and tell women where they were going wrong.

I genuinely hope you've learnt something.

I think my father in law, my brothers and my next door neighbour are all lovely and not a threat to me but I'm not about to shower or change in front of them. It's not just about safety its about not wanting to be naked in front of people with male bodies however "lovely" they are (and if they were that bloody lovely they wouldn't want to make me uncomfortable by being naked with me so they aren't at the top of the lovely pile anyway).

I dont believe you were here to ‘debate’. You seem to be here to spread misinformation and to censure women.

I for one am not upset. I think you have really helpfully exposed the illogical fallacy of TWAW. I appreciate the time you've taken to engage on this thread. I would urge you to reread it and consider where your stance is not only illogical it is materially harmful to the women and girls in your life.

I think its an issue that looms larger in elections because 'trans women are women' is so obviously wrong.

It's difficult to predict what will happen in the economy, even if you are an economist, and it's difficult to understand foreign policy and environmental policy can seem very abstract, but you don't need special knowledge to know that humans can't change sex.

@Gnasher1981

Will you try out my above idea sometime?

I would be very interested in the outcome.
Don't forget, the transwomen have to be complete unknowns to yourself and female relatives.

“At my work we all get changed in front of each other without any issues and the one person who doesn't want to go into a cubicle.”

WTAF?

What workplace has male and female people ‘changing’, stripping down to underwear or less, together?

Whoever has forced female people to strip in front of male people needs some very bright sunlight !

Turns out all women are individuals and not a hive mind. Who knew?

Unfortunately I don't think asking an MRA to consider women works, we're just NPCs to them. We're not real people and harms done to us aren't real harm.

I mean there's "vulnerable and oppressed" men who need access to women and girls bodies, spaces, awards, words etc to consider don't you know?!

Won't someone think of the poor menz!

I would have no problem with this scenario.

In fact my sister said she was given tampon in the ladies loo by a trans person because she ran out and the trans person had them on her as she had seen so many women in that situation.

Women helping women.

So, you have got your information from female people who have very low boundaries around their needs for safety, privacy and dignity.

If I were you, I would be asking myself why do the women in my life have such low boundaries and why do they lack empathy for the women who need female single sex provisions to remain female only?

Fab. I met a transwoman in the loo once. He was masturbating. I guess I should have been reassured that he meant me no harm, though, eh?

I hope this is genuine.

If it is, please think on and listen to some Helen Joyce podcasts (others are available).

Women on here are not 'haters', 'anti trans' or 'bigots'. We just want the safety of women and girls.

Creepy as fuck that like

Interesting...

So does your mum get changed in front of men (sorry, transwomen) then?
How far? Down to underwear?

Oh believe me the third changing room was the first thing that was offered but apparently this was not good enough. Single sex spaces are there for a reason. The answer can never be "let this one "nice" male in" because that is the same as "let anyone who wants to come in". If you prioritize one male's desires over a whole team of young girls, perhaps you are not the nice person you think you are.

This is creepy! Absolutely creepy!

No male person should be carrying tampons ‘just in case’. No male person needs tampons so they are carrying these to establish a connection to female people. And the female people accepting this has not thought this through.

“Women helping women”

Absolutely not!

This is predatory behaviour by any male person doing this!

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