Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

Yes.
don't make a problem caused by men into one blamed on women and for which women have to suffer.

TW in prison are more likely to be sex offenders than the rest of the male population, not less likely. This is from Ministry of Justice data.

All your inaccurate claims were debunked years ago.

So the problem is men not being accepting and kind to men who choose to express themselves differently?

Why make that the problem of women who who want privacy?

In many cases, sex doesn't matter but in some cases it matters very much.

If TW in your view Gnasher are literally women should they bother with prostate screening?

if TM are literal men then should they sack off cervical screening?

Nobody is forcing rape victims call their abusers "she", and using this example to attack the trans community is disingenuous.

If nobody is forcing rape victims to call their abusers "she", what pronouns are acceptable in your view?

He? They?

Does it make a difference what pronouns the perpetrator prefers? E.g. Isla Bryson prefers "she". So what should Isla's victims say in your opinion?

My reading is that people are understanding the real world implications of what they may have thought were abstract arguments.

Yes, I can.

You don't piss with your brain, but with your genitals. You don't make someone pregnant with your brain, but with your genitals. You don't get pregnant after someone rapes you because of your laydee brain, but because of having a uterus.

These facts predate scientific peer-reviewed journals.

Single-sex spaces exist to protect women from the risk of forced pregnancy through rape. Not to validate people's feelings that may or may not be based in neurology.

You might also consider reading "Delusions Of Gender" by Cordelia Fine, which debunks the notion of congenital brain sex completely.

Theyould call Isla Bryson an unholy hell hound for all i care.
Using this as example is not fair on the rest of the trans community.

Which is kinda my point, people use extreme examples to justify their own opinions rather than try to be understanding of the matter at hand.

Excluding Isla Bryson and his ilk isn’t fair on women, especially women prisoners.

But you are doing the same @Gnasher1981 , insisting all your stuff is right because you want it to be, but not happy when people provide examples/links/studies showing the exact opposite.

What about Alexis Black?

So transwomen are women except if they make the trans community look bad at which point they become men?

sooooo how to we tell the nice harmless TW from the violent rapist TW? We have been told over and over again by TRA that if a man says he is a women then women must accept that he is a woman. In fact to not accept this is transphobic

what's your answer to this problem?

or do you think women should take their chances and hope?

I think the 2018 bench book may be the later version that withdrew this compulsion. I cant't remember when the prosecution for attack on Maria was. Nonetheless, it remains fact that the judge reduced Maria's damages because she was unable to use "preferred pronouns" (aka lie under oath that a woman had attacked her when in fact a man had).

I have not been shown anything other than personal opinions.
I have provided scientific studies to show my beliefs.

Then this was a miscarriage of justice.

The same way you tell a violent man from a non violent msn. In cis men it is the majority who are not while for trans men it is the greater majority.

Does this mean you have no problem with people referring to transwomen as he and calling them a man?

How do you tell the difference between a violent and non violent man before they attack you?

I got as far as the introduction saying sex 'assigned at birth'.

This is not scientific or unbiased.

Women are objecting to male bodies in female spaces.

You cannot change a male body into a female body. It is impossible. It is irrelevant what feelings someone has about it.

So could they call any rapist an unholy hell hound for all you care? (I assume that means you don't care which pronouns are used for Isla Bryson BTW)

Given the increasing numbers of TW rapists and sex crime perpetrators reported in the press, it would be helpful to know if you apply the same standards to all of them regarding pronoun usage.

The next logical question is "where is the line?" At what point do you start to care about pronoun usage in courts and in news reports about TW who have committed crimes? Why is the crime significant in how much you care?

And the guidance in the old Bench book was intentional - The editorial panel included Victoria McCloud, a trans identifying male who is currently trying to to challenge the Supreme Court ruling.

Re: comments on Isla Bryson, the point is not that he represents trans people (a category that now resists any definition ), but that activists are campaigning for men like him to be housed in women's prisons.

@Gnasher1981 You give the impression that you don't know much about the details of this issue, and to be fair, I think that is true of most people.

@Gnasher1981

Even if what you say is true, that trans identifying men somehow have 'lady brains':

If a man was found to have a mental age of 7 and thought he was a child, would you allow him to attend primary school?

You think that my statement that pregnancy is a risk that only males can inflict on to only females is a personal opinion?

And how did it happen? Wasn't in a vacuum because the judge had a personal agenda was it?
It was because of lobbying that it is transphobic hate to say that TW are men and that anyone who says as much should be punished. It was because lots of people decided that trans people had lots of "rights" that legally they did not.