Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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New survey

19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

Look at the image i posted above. Its take from Ministry of Justice figures. Just because you dont like the facts you cant say that they are made up.

That’s another bold assertion - evidence?

Ironic

I said your definition is meaningless.
ive not yet read that link - I think I may have in the past , iirc it doesn’t prove your point at all.

The definition of woman so ‘biological female’
female is the sex class which produces large gametes.

Sooooo have we got a live one? A brand new visitor - One who genuinely believes TWAW are actual women be kind you bigots? Or is this just one of our usual misogynist visitors with a name change?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/06/01/imane-khelif-medical-report-proves-biological-male/

Imane Kheli is male.

Imane Khalif has been undergone karyotype testing twice where results are in the public domain and on both occasions he was found to have XY which makes him biologically male. He quite possibly has a DSD but is still and always has been male.

And should I get my bingo card out?

59% of transwomen in prison for sexual offences. 17% of men. Government figures.

Not all men are sexual predators but we dont allow men into women's spaces/toilets/changing rooms/hospital wards/rape centres/womens refuges because some are. The exact same logic applies to transwomen.

Is Isla Bryson a woman?

But they do exist.
They have the same rights as everyone else.
Except one, they can't go in ladies toilets.

They are so desperate to be in a ladies loo or changing room.
Desperate!!!!

And why?
Because. They. Are. Men.
They are men not getting their own way.
They don't care if women and girls would be distressed with them being in the loo.
Because. They. Are. Men.

And on top of that, if they were allowed in, this then gives the green light to predators to become "trans" for the day and go into the ladies loo.
Because. They. Also. Are. Men.

And by the way, there is no "cis"
There are Men.
There are Women.

Im predicting there will be a "you're all mean" flounce which is what usually happens when TWAWers are confronted with facts.

I am not sure where you are accessing information but quite a bit of it is verifiably inaccurate.

Imane Khalif is male, and the offending rate of males has not been shown to reduce for those with trans identities.

I understand that people with trans identities find it distressing (and/or experience other negative emotions) when being classified by their biological sex. How do you suggest we mitigated the harm/hurt whilst also discussing the issues arising? You seem to suggest that they shouldn’t be discussed as that everyone should ignore the category error.

In accepting transwomen are women, you are suggesting male bodied people should be entitled to be naked around other naked women, punch and tackle them in contact sports and join therapeutic groups where their presence traumatises females. Not only this, you seem to be framing those who object to this as being anti trans or wishing harm to trans people.

I too know nice, kind people with trans identities. I also know nice kind males without trans identities. I do not think it is acceptable to include any nice kind males into provision for females. Inclusion/ exclusion is not based on kindness or sensitivity but it is based on being male bodied. It doesn’t matter whether someone has neurological differences leading them to identify as female, the purpose of single sex provision is to segregate by sexed bodies.

I think that all vulnerable people need protection. I do want to endure that people with trans identities can fully participate and be included in society. I just don’t think this should be at the expense of female only services.

Anyway, back to the survey. Some more points from it:

'A growing share of the public see culture wars as a serious problem for UK society and politics, with Reform UK supporters most likely to feel they pose a serious challenge. Alongside this, people have become slightly less certain that the media is fuelling division, and most Britons continue to believe politicians invent or exaggerate culture wars as a political tactic'

' 64% of the public now agree culture wars are a serious problem – up from 52% in 2023 and 44% in 2020. And in the last two years, the proportion who strongly agree with this view has doubled from 10% to 20%. In 2020, 77% of people felt the media often fuels a sense of a division in the UK. Now 66% feel this way'

They do have a place in society.

Oh, you mean they can't go in women only spaces.
I see...........

In fairness, I think it must be pretty overwhelming to arrive on this board should you happen across it and post these types of beliefs. Their notifications must blow up and they have multiple responses to each of their posts with lots of questions fired at them.

I think it would take a lot of resilience and commitment to stick with it, and unless they came on in the spirit of being open to new ideas (and correct facts) it is likely that confirmation bias will lead to switching off believing that transphobia is rife.

'Trans rights have not gone far enough' - supporters by demographic:

Age

Women aged 16-29 - 42%
Men aged 16-29 - 31%

Women aged 30-59 - 19%

Women aged 60+ - 7%

Green Party supporters - 57%
Labour - 30%
Lib Dem - 27%
Tories - 6%
Reform - 6%

Going out, but will copy paste more later.

I mean they get abuse whether they in to men's or women's spaces.
But I feel you knew what i meant and just like to use semantics to throw off a conversation.

A trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman.

I support your right (and their right) to believe this.

Do you support my right not to believe it?

We are all protected in law on this BTW. Your belief and my lack of belief both come under the protected characteristic of "religion or belief". See screenshot below.

However, what trans(-identifying) people and trans allies can't do is coerce or enforce their belief on everyone else. This has been backed up by the Supreme Court judgement which lands on the side of fact over belief i.e. it recognises that transwomen are males and transmen are females.

Lots of people hold beliefs that contradict facts (e.g. creationism versus big bang), which is exactly what a multicultural society should embrace. But enforced belief is not.

If you're happy to support my lack of belief, what do you think we should do when a transwoman wants to use the women's changing rooms and there are other non-believers like me who are happy with the law as it is now? (The law being the Equality Act, as clarified by the Supreme Court judgement in April this year).

It's a bit odd that more people are thinking that they culture wars are a problem, but fewer people blame the media. I don't get that at all?

There was a recent thread posted on the back of a politician's comment about adverts. I would consider that as part of the culture war. I have also noticed in TV shows and films there's a definite increase in girlboss-type characters and it's jarring. That would also come under the culture war heading.

The English courts were compelling victims to use "she" to refer to trans-identified male defendants for a while, under guidance inserted by TRA magistrate Tanweer Ikram into the 2018 edition of the Equal Treatment Bench Book. For context, Ikram acquitted Sarah Jane Baker after his "if you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face" speech.

R v Wolf, popularly known as the "Maria MacLachlan case", is an example where this compulsion was applied.

Maybe they’re thinking ‘media’ means mainstream media rather than social media and attribute most of the culture wars to the latter?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0666-3
https://hudson.org.au/news/written-in-dna-study-reveals-potential-biological-basis-for-transgender/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/
These are three examples for pro trans debate from a scientific perspective.

Could you provide scientific examples from an anti trans perspective?

They should not get abuse. They should also not use provision designated for the opposite sex.

Males, regardless of their gender identity, should take responsibility for complying with the law and upholding single sex provision. This is needed to uphold the integrity of single sex provision.

@Gnasher1981 if you think TW magically offend at the same rate as women, just by announcing they are now women....do you think TM start offending at the same rate as men? Because I have not seen any evidence of this. Why would it work one way and not the other, if, as you claim, these TM will have brains "wired up" like a man's? Where are all the violent sex offending TM?

I have seen instances of women who have been taking testosterone behaving violently, but not anywhere near the rate of men or TW.