Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

All young children are usually accompanied by an adult in a public toilets.
Your arguments are not about protecting children but about attacking trans people.

So if Ive got this correct, @Gnasher1981 believes that:

TWAW except for rapists and when they are in womens rape centres.

TW are not biological males. (Are they biological women? Some kind of third sex?)

A man can magically turn into a woman as soon as he says he's a woman.

A man is a potential safeguarding threat to women. But if he says he's actually a woman then he's suddenly completely harmless.

The Ministry of Justice statistics that show that in 2019 59% of TW prisoners were jailed for sexual violence as opposed to 17% of men are "made up".

TW have womanly brains and TM have manly brains.

Theres no need for safeguarding because bad people are going to do bad things anyway. Although maybe Catholic priests should be banned from public toilets.

Taking away womens rights to single sex spaces doesnt affect their rights.

I can be a snail if I say so.

I think you are confusing 'anti-trans' with 'having boundaries that exclude men'.

I feel that mansplaining doesn't go far enough, tbh.

We have a man come onto a feminist board, on a website called Mumsnet, to explain to women how we ought to feel about men invading our spaces, teach us about the fucking menopause, and insult our intelligence with absolute low grade fucking drivel.

It's sort of mansplaining squared. Meta-mansplaining. Mega-meta-mansplaining.

It's fucking absurd.

How do you know the cis womanis harmless, you have no idea who they are.

"TW have womanly brains and TM have manly brains."

Although Gnasher linked to a paper that said the opposite, so maybe just confused?

I'm sorry, I appear to have entirely run out of fucks.

I thought this was a discusion about trans rights.
I wanted to get women's views on it.
The testostrone bit was in response to someone saying it harms women.
I apologise if I have caused offense.

Which adult was going to accompany my sons to the loo when they were under 8 and my husband was on a different continent? That's why they were permitted into the womens toilets at that age.

• Men commit around 95% of sexual crime
• Even if a woman committed a sexual crime, she is more unlikely to be a lot more physically stronger than the victim - men are generally stronger than women in case you haven't noticed.
• Women are not going to impregnate other women.
• Women know that it is not possible to be 100% safe everywhere but keeping men out of female spaces - even the "good" men - is the single best weapon we have against sexual violence. Stop arguing for sexual predators to have more freedom. It is not a good look.

Last point - IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT SAFETY - please answer the question I asked you about why my teenage daughter should have to put up with changing in front of grown men. She doesn't want to. Surely that is reason enough?

Practically more difficult for women to rape, because they don't have the requisite equipment to hand, and the statistics on violent crime demonstrate starkly different offending patterns between men and women.

Whether they identify as cis or trans is irrelevant. What matters is their sex.

But at least you are getting into the nuts and bolts of why we have single sex provision in some situations.

Because I have a fair chance of winning a fight with a woman. A man, not so much.

But you have no idea of this, because you're a man.

Imagine a third sex that is bigger and stronger than you and has an incredible desire for sex with you regardless of whether you want it or not. Then ask yourself if you would like some legal protection against that third sex....

(It's like explaining to a bloody goldfish)

Thank you for answering.

In No way do I believe all trans people are abusers.

Then that person will find a way no matter what

You believe transwomen should have access to ladies toilets.

You said you believed in all of them. I asked what if your belief and others had been wrong and a predator was deceiving and went on to harm a little girl?

Is there a safer way to ensure no risk whatsoever?
What is that safer way?

Or Clownfish

I think it's more that you don't sound as though you know what you are talking about, but plough on regardless.

Thank you Spanna I was just about to post that.

@Gnasher1981 if you are heterosexual would you consider a transwomen as a sexual partner? If you are gay would you include transmen in your dating pool?

Re hospital accommodation:

• A TW committed a documented, evidenced rape of a woman on a women's hospital ward.
• Gaslighting, by claiming that no man is present, a woman enduring a mental health crisis will prevent her recovery.

Re male gyns:

• A woman asking for a female gyn does so for a reason. Those reasons can be very serious, affecting her ability to undergo the procedure at all, and she has a right not to have disclose them just to get same-sex care. The after-affects of sexual assault can include vaginismus, where her vaginal muscles try to clamp shut involuntarily. They can include panic attacks during the exam.
• A TW gyn who accepts that "I want to be seen by a woman" excludes him isn't a problem in this context.

I was also looking for it!

There are NO cis.

There are women and girls.
There are men and boys.

If they want to, they can pretend to be the opposite sex.

PRETEND...

Its worth noting that the 5nmol line is fairly new and when caster was competing the line would have been at 10nmol as well.

And 5nmol is still higher than your average woman would produce.

Telling trans people to use the toilet for their sex isn't attacking them. It's telling them that the rules apply to them, just like they apply to everyone else.

I have read up on this a lot and debated it with many people. I'm always willing to learn more.
I've been accused of being anti trans, misogynistic and even misandristic because I don't entirely agree with those I'm talking to.
With the anger on this forum about this subject i do wonder where those who support the trans community are. It has been intimated they have been scared off.
I can see why the is so much effort to have the trans community accepted, I don't think I could it up with the hate coming from the anti trans community.

I would like to see results for under 16s as well. It would be interesting to see if the percentages follow the trend across the other age bands or reverse.

It's not just higher than an average woman it is beyond the yellow area that represents the levels found in women with conditions that give them raised levels.