Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

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Just curious really if this is something that happens. And if not, what the argument (by trans people) would be against it. Sorry if it’s been covered before. Just been working through some stuff in my head and started to wonder about this!

No.
Because they're not trans.
The irony will be delicious but unfortunately wasted.

I’m struggling to understand why a biological woman would identify as a trans woman. Can you give an example?

Is it to get NHS funded breast implants and electrolysis?

there’s only one sex that can be a trans woman, and that’s male. A biological woman can never be a trans woman - she would be a trans man, if she feels she is trans.

Trans women are a subset of men, not of women.

I seem to remember there was an uproar because of something like this happening a year or two ago. I’ll try to find it, but the short answer is no, women can’t identify as transwomen because that’s appropriation.

ETA: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5155654-in-what-might-just-be-the-most-insane-story-of-the-year-two-female-onlyfans-models-have-gone-viral-after-pretending-to-be-transgender-to-sell-porn-content-trans-activists-are-now-accusing-the-women-of-appropriation-for-identifying-as-men

Oh I was in a Facebook group for women who identify as trans women! Hilarious and we absolutely were not accepted as trans women. Shame!

Sure, anyone can identify as anything they want nowadays. Didn't you get the memo?

If you are born a woman but define yourself as a male and then change your mind- that would be trans woman then?

Wasn't there an actress / actor that did it and got grief for it?

I guess I’m thinking of it because if sex doesn’t matter why would it matter here? I can kind of imagine a woman identifying as trans. I’ve struggled with fertility problems and facial hair and various things that have made me feel less of a woman. I am old enough now to know that that experience in itself was fundamentally female, but for many years I just thought I was not a very good woman. Am rambling slightly. Thoughts aren’t formed really am just cogitating!

When women want to be embraced by the trans community they typically just come out as "queer." It doesn't mean anything and they can keep living an otherwise hetero-normative life but it some magically makes them a member of the "marginalized" queer community that also includes TIMs. TIMs absolutely accept "queer" women into their fold bc the vast majority of them are straight men who want to LARP as lesbians. Hope that answers your question.

There was a couple of women who self identified as trans woman on only fans. They had a video of themselves jumping around and being silly. TRAs went nuts there was a thread on here which was quite funny at the time.

It’s strange but I met a biological woman who was transitioning into a man once. Their whole personality/ tone/ manner/ look was like a caricature of a camp gay man. I Thought if I was a gay man I would have been really offended by their interpretation of masculinity. It was like a bad impression/ pantomime. Plus they were attracted to men, so they went from heterosexual woman to gay man. I wonder how common that is. It is hard to think of the mental gymnastics. Feeling born in the wrong body but identifying not as a straight man but as a feminine man who enjoys face cream/ masks/ pedicures/ ‘women’s films’/ clothes/ make up. If we are told these things define our gender, then why not just stay a heterosexual woman?
I wonder if that’s too straightforward and boring? There’s no opportunity to feel marginalised.

Obvs the idea of women being appropriative for pretending to be men pretending to be women is completely absurd, but there we go.

Monty pythons the stoning comes to mind

I thought that I was back in the Bluestocking for a moment before I realised that this conversation is too mad even for there.

No one seems to identify as a man who likes watching TV and looks after his elderly mum, and yet there’s plenty of them in the world.

Ok. Right. Shouldn’t be surprised at the hypocrisy I guess.

@arcticpandasno, that would just be back to being a woman - which sex realists/ gender critical people say they always were all along.

Sometimes, when people change their mind and drop their “trans” identity they might also call themselves a desister (if they didn’t undergo any medical transition) or a detransitioner (if they underwent any medical transition).

That would be "circumgender". It's a thing.
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@lindholmrowe interesting thanks! The comments I saw were really not supportive of the concept.

I feel like I’m constantly thrashing around trying to make it all make sense. But it never ever does!

So maybe the argument goes something like this.
When I was born I was "assigned" to as a woman which at the time meant female but these days means a glorious rainbow spectrum. So I am no longer the same gender as I was (cough) years ago.
By changing what women means they have taken us on a brave and stunning gender journey and made us all trans.
Any takers?

I think that’s an entirely normal response from anyone who gives this any actual consideration