Ocasio-Cortez vs Riley Gaines

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Wow. Just…wow. It’s so depressing how many female misogynists there are, and how many are in powerful positions.

thehill.com/homenews/media/5576319-ocasio-cortez-mocks-riley-gaines/

I'm sure you can find it yourself.

I'm quite amazed at how little knowledge you seem to have of many prominent and controversial issues and events as they relate to the dignity of female people.

What happend to "Me Too" and believing women's stories of sexual abuse?

The truth is you don't care about female people and their dignity and integrity. Nobody who actually had empathy with women would respond in the ways you do.

AOC she/her who talks about "birthing people" thinking that will fly with blue collar workers.

I agree with the concerns expressed by parents and players that we have to take into account biological factors such as muscle mass and unfair athletic advantage when we determine who plays on which teams, especially in contact sports,” Harris clarified. “With goodwill and common sense, I believe we can come up with ways to do this, without vilifying and demonizing children.”

An interesting ‘heresy’ committed by Kamala there although with that wording it sounds like she wants to find ways of including males in female sports that are ‘fair’ rather then exclude all males.

Democrats will keep on losing. Ignore the working class blue collar vote at your peril. The same goes for here. As we've seen, the blue collar vote still has significant power. UK Labour decided to pitch to the middle class and student vote in 2019. It didn't work.

Why are we even having this absurd discussion? We have always had separate categories for male and female sports. After so many years of women like Martina Navratilova trying to get equal pay and recognition for female athletes, they decide to let men compete against women.

Sometimes it really does feel like whole swathes of the population have lost their minds.

If you are incapable of recognising the harm in those right wing values outside of the no biological men in women's spaces issue you should take time to educate yourself. Biological men in womens spaces are not the only threat to women in right wing America. Both AOC and RG have some dangerous and shitty ideas when it comes to women.

And in the comparison to RG to Adriana, factually Riley could leave the room. That she should not have had to is not up for debate. But she could have left the room. Adriana's family could not even bury and mourn her when she died. She was reduced to her reproductive organs to incubate a fetus that was not in great shape, to a point it was just about viable, even though it will likely have many health issues and in a civilised society could have been terminated.

Adriana's dead body was abused by the hospital, thanks to the anti abortion laws that RG supports. Laws that the late Charlie Kirk would have used to force his 10 year old daughter to deliver a baby that was the product rape.

Calling out that clear contradiction around the safety of women is reasonable. Trying to say that biological men in women's sports is the only issue is not.

What you are doing is attempting to limiting the number of women who can speak or should be listened to.

RG has experience and the bravery to speak and you are telling everyone not to listen to her?

The only people who want women not to speak are people who dont want women to be heard in general, or think women are so stupid that we are just a rousing speech away from fascism or something.

There are lots of women who can speak eloquently about range of different issues and im perfectly able to listen to all of their views without being corrupted. And i trust others to be the same.

Why dont you think that about women? Maybe a little self reflection and less moralising might be what you need to 'educate yourself'.

Is that at me?

Here is my comment from yesterday, I am not silencing other women. I am rebutting comments made to me, which I don't need your permission for. Considering context is not silencing the voices of others.

I don't agree with AOC's stance on the Trans issue, it leaves a lot to be desired. She does have a lot of good things to say on other issues. Likewise RG is right to campaign for rights for women in sport but as Republican she leaves a lot be desired on other women's rights, such as abortion.

Considering context is not silencing the voices of others.

You told me to shut up, though you seem not to realise that the rest of us aren't under any obligation to do as you say.

You've also been holding forth a lot about how someone with right wing values can't genuinely represent women. Well, it's a point of view.

It's a view I'm familiar with from watching Irish feminists fawn over scum like Richard Boyd Barrett, and shun me for being disloyal to the tribe, because I've spoken about the abuse of women in Boyd Barrett's organisation.

Do you understand why some of us might not be very responsive to hectoring leftist tribalism?

Why dont you think that about women? Maybe a little self reflection and less moralising might be what you need to 'educate yourself'.

Pro life is not pro women.

Covering up rape in left wing organisations is not pro women. That's what I was talking about, and why I presume you're not quoting me in your "response".

Do not attempt to hector me on the basis of your political tribalism.

I have no idea why you are trying to derail this thread by going on and on about Adriana Smith. Nobody even claimed that Riley Gaines was ‘great for women’ in every aspect of life or politics.

She is a great advocate for female only spaces and sports and getting men and their penises out of them and at great personal cost.

I am a little unclear on what AOC has done for women, she seems utterly self absorbed and very conscious of her prettiness. I have seen her be extremely rude to devout politicians on behalf of men who wish to be women and downright nasty to women who don’t agree with her.

She seems to have missed a golden opportunity to secure women’s abortion rights when the Democrats had the opportunity and while she seems to have had some involvement in a later campaign (after the horse had bolted), she doesn’t mention it in her general political blurb so it doesn’t seem that high on her list.

Calling out that clear contradiction around the safety of women is reasonable. Trying to say that biological men in women's sports is the only issue is not.

I don’t think anyone has tried to do that though. It is also much harder to advocate for any of women’s sex based rights if you have a legal definition of a woman that includes men, which is what AOC wants.

Personal cost? She's riding the grift train in first class!

Are you serious?

She was a normal athlete enjoying her sport and living a normal life but it has been massively derailed by a large man getting naked in her changing rooms and invading her sport.

Since deciding to fight for her rights, she has been in fear for her life on numerous occasions from baying campus mobs, she has had countless death threats and now we know how murderously unhinged some trans activists are, she is in danger of being shot dead in public.

She has had to make her own employment as, with her sports campaigning profile, any company employing her would get harassed by the insane trans activists.

She didn’t join this fight for the money, she did it because it was the right thing. I watched her progress all along. Now you criticise her because she is good at what she does and works hard?

By all means disagree with her views on other topics but it’s just plain nasty to accuse her of being a grifter.

"By all means disagree with her views on other topics but it’s just plain nasty to accuse her of being a grifter"

Indeed. But it's an easy slur to throw around when you have zero credible arguments for men in women's sport. Smears and slurs are all you have to argue your "case" 😅

in a civilised society could have been terminated

It's not too late. Perhaps America will take the Canadian MAiD route!

Dentists in the States seem to be able make a mint. There was that one who hit the news a few years ago who went on the hunting trip to Africa and killed a celebrity lion. Safaris don't come cheap and, from what I remember, he'd had several. Riley would probably have a wealthier and more peaceful life if Lia Thomas had stayed in his lane.

So on one hand, we are to expect women to campaign to save women’s sports. To do this they have to travel around and pay for their own costs and do all the work to prepare for the committees they present to and to write their speeches. They are expected to do this while then holding down a job as well.

Any women who make money to pay for their efforts seem to be easy targets to be called grifters.

And we wonder why so many women don’t speak out.