Ocasio-Cortez vs Riley Gaines

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Wow. Just…wow. It’s so depressing how many female misogynists there are, and how many are in powerful positions.

thehill.com/homenews/media/5576319-ocasio-cortez-mocks-riley-gaines/

What is remarkable to me is that now women have to wear body cams to record the precise incident of them being assaulted before they are to be believed.

It is almost like metoo never happened. Imagine that though, ‘no X, you were not assaulted because you didn’t video the incident’. If you didn’t video it, it never happened.

Apparently protestors saying on video that they wanted to keep a scared woman and a university security team barricaded in a room is now ‘just the time taken to clear the protestors away’.

The fact that there is even one protestor suggesting that someone pay them to leave as well is just part of the fun.

Are we to believe that intimidating a group of security staff and a guest speaker to remain locked in a room is just peaceful protest now? Nothing to see here, just peaceful protestors …

I don’t believe any of us should have to trawl the hours and hours of testimony and interviews to find an exact fit of phraseology that one person on the internet will find definitive enough to believe a group of women’s account.

That numerous women reported that Thomas was ‘fully intact’ should be enough.

Imagine insisting young women who felt their future was threatened should simply accept being naked and exposed to a male athlete who was similarly exposed while getting their competition gear on. Imagine dismissing their trauma on a feminist board.

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What I find nice is that with all his bad faith @Howseitgoin seems to be admitting that seeing Lia's penis could in fact be a problem (else why would he be denying it so desperately ?). Even though Lia is an obvious transwoman, ergo, woman because TWAW. So genitalia DO matter, don't they ?

The fact he was there at all is the problem. Lia Thomas is male, he had no business in there, and women don’t want to validate him. The answer is No.

I think that the degree to which women are denied being believed, and that their coming fifth in all the higher education institution students in the USA is not good enough for them to be heard on the topic of women’s sports has been shown over and over again on social media.

I remember people defending other women who said similar things to Riley Gaines. All to discredit her. While all it shows is that those women are not the compassionate, inclusive and kind women that they position themselves to be.

I am still reeling at the thought that numerous women stating they saw Thomas naked in their changing room is to be dismissed because none of them apparently said the right combination of words that included ‘I saw his penis’!!

A group of women who have been very clear that their own universities tried to silence them as well as ‘educate’ them and provide counselling to accept seeing a naked male in their changing room, forgot to say the right combination of words to be believed. They had to be blunt and specific on international media and in front of Congressional committees otherwise ‘it never happened’.

As if them having to say ‘we saw his penis’ proved that the male athlete getting into a competitive swim suit which takes nearly an hour to get into and them being exposed and naked themselves wasn’t enough.

The message is ‘Young women, your word is not enough. You are not to be believed that you are traumatised because you didn’t say the correct words. You are not recorded for posterity on social media for all to see for saying ‘I saw her penis’. Because at the time your universities also held you to behave in a particular way to remain on the team which may have been a requisite for your scholarship.’

Please learn to spot sealioning.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

We are very familiar in spotting sealioning.

Again, no evidence of "assault "or "being held hostage". Do you even understand what these terms mean?

Again we see the dismissal of the traumatic events faced by Riley Gaines. All because of the language used to describe it.

I think it is a good illustration of how some others on social media have treated Riley and other women who have been speaking about women’s sport.

Abuse of women has to be denied, and in some cases enabled, so that some people can feel virtuous about themselves and on the Right Side of History.

It's shocking but is actually a story that repeats many many times throughtout history.

Little OJ vibes on this thread

Oh yes, and the UN

This reminds me of that fantastic woman complaining about the male in the female spa at Wi Spa. That same man, unsurprisingly, ended up being a sexual predator.

“I see a dick. It lets me know he is a man”.

AOC and her advisers are misreading the room on this one. Women don’t want dicks in female spaces or female sports.

No wonder so many get peaked by Mumsnet. Yet another thread with someone persistently exposing the inherent idiocy and misogyny of gender identity bollocks.

You keep raising the bar, don't you?

Women should now have a penis waved in their face before complaining about having to share a changing room with a naked man, according to you, before their complaints should be taken seriously.

No.

Women have the right to participate in society and have the right to an education (remember, women in that swim team receive scholarships for their swim results that pay for their education. No swimming, no results, no scholarship, no education). In your opinion, these rights are negated because a man wanted to use the womens changing rooms instead of using a third space.

I know no amount of arguments will change your mind that any man who wants to, should have the right to take away womens participation and opportunities, but the more women who read the imbalance in rights the more pushback this unfairness will get.

Lets break this down. I do think US liberal thinking about race, gender/sex is a key aspect in this, but it is race and gender as defined by them. There is a reason that American liberals treat trans/queerness as the most important aspect of identity anyone can have, the key to ultimate victimhood status.

Remember this about how William - "Lia" Thomas a straight white man from a privileged background attending a Ivy League University studying to become as lawyer is more of a victim because he has a fetish about wearing a dress than a black woman from the projects, a Latino woman immigrant, or a white gay guy who lives in a trailer park.

The reason is trans/queerness is an identity ANYONE can claim no matter how wealthy and they instantly become a victim. Loads of surveys show Ivy league Unis in the Us have a very high rate of people claiming to be LGBT. This is because privileged Americans instinctively see how they can use it as the ultimate prop to their status. It is a cliche now that Hollywood elites have trans children. Why now? Why not in the 90s? Because NOW it is a hugely advantageous status symbol. In fact as Republicans attack it it becomes even more valuable as a symbol of being liberal.

A white man in a dress is MORE important than anyone else, though of course latino and black guys can play the dress card as well. This is a disaster for women of all kinds but especially for black women. Why? Because in the US sports scholarships in hugely important for poor kids wanting to go to college. Say you are black girl wanting to get a basketball scholarship. Bad luck a huge chunk of those scholarships will be going to white men all the glory in the games. They don't even have to change their name - as the white male "trans" guy Henry Hanlon has shown:

Fury as transgender high school basketball player dominates rival girls' team
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-14292603/transgender-high-school-basketball-henry-hanlon-san-francisco-waldorf.html

If allowed more and more poor girls will give up on sport as boys take all the prizes and money. Girls struggle to get sport anyway now they lose it:
https://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/do-you-know-the-factors-influencing-girls-participation-in-sports/

The comparison with Abortion is important and needs to be discussed. The Republicans have been coming for abortion for decades - Democrats didn't prioritise it. Thus it was lost.

Compare all the dodgy stuff Biden tried to ensure the boys and men could win at women's sport, compare the time Democrats in Congress and state level are doing to ensure that women lose sport, changing rooms, prisons etc to what they are doing on abortion. They are trying EVERYTHING to keep this thing going. That is what AOC is saying. Men in dresses are the ultimate women. They must be prioritised.

Why must men in dresses get to have women's sport, but women lose control over their own bodies?

How crazy and sexist this is obvious with deeper thought.

Sport is the biggest cultural industry in the US worth billions and billons of dollars because American men of all backgrounds are obsessed by it, women's sport is still pretty marginal. This is why Trans women in the states are SO obsessed with it as symbol. They are so masculine in thinking they can't imagine their sporting success isn't the most important thing in in the world.

The irony is that because sports is such a male thing it is where the TAs lose most guys support - notice the number of Democrat men who will speak out on this. Many Men are totally fine with men in dresses in women's prisons, changing rooms, toilets, experimenting on weird kids. They draw the line at sports. Because Sports whether watching or participating are key to their own sense of identity. The fact they are stronger and faster than women is REALLY important to them.

Anyway as long as Democrats think any man in a dress is more important than ANY women no matter the background they are going to lose support. It is obvious.

The crazy thing is many "trans" people don't even agree with this stuff. A big chunk of the small trans vote is going to go Republican. See Bruce Jenner lots and lots like him.

I find this so frustrating from AOC because it's an issue that really puts voters off. She could spend 95% of her time taking economy and relevant useful issues but nonsense like this gets used by the Republicans to promote to voters that this is what the democrats are all about. They really need to completely drop this nonsense.

The argument used to be that being exposed as male would be the worst thing to happen to these men, therefore they would avoid anywhere that risks that. Now these men are celebrated because they are male.

The idea of the 'male woman' as the most oppressed has resulted in politicians arguing that women will see penises in changing rooms and will have to perform to male standards in sport.

Men have changed the narrative so much, politicians have to ignore why womens changing rooms and sports exist in the first place.

This. I loathe the Democrats for handing Trump on a silver plate this incredible PR photo of him surrounded by women being the hero that protects their rights in sports.

This poster is not posting in good faith. Every single person knows this.
Why is the account allowed to stand? It’s anti women, and this is Mumsnet.
Oh and please don’t reply to me, I won’t be reading any of the hate filled, goody bullshit that you type.

I assume you mean the poster H and not MrsOvertonsWindow? Got confused there for a minute.

I agree the account needs looking at.

Funny how Lia Thomas didn’t take massive amounts of oestrogen and wasn’t wanting to be so much of a woman that he went for breast implants like most of the Glamour cover TWs have. Now why would that be?

RG wants the Republicans to win the next elections. AOC is working to the same end with this stuff. All AOC needs to do is keep saying men are not stronger than women, and women don't deserve to have sport and the Dems will keep losing. Because it is so stupid it destroys everything else they say.

This^^ The Republicans are willing to go to any lengths to secure power and the Democrats are helping them by insisting on their smug purity spirals whilst watching Trump unravel democracy in real time. It’s infuriating.

I used to like AOC and was pleased that a working class woman had got a political platform. This one issue, however, is going to be the death of the Centre Left / Left and I am angry that supposedly intelligent people have been so ridiculous and allowed the Right / Far Right to weaponise it.

But you really have to hand it to the TRAs, being willing to burn the house of democracy down for everyone if they can’t stamp their feet to get their way. Nice.

Yet a thread discussing how not to respond was deleted as not in the spirit of… ironic that a poster clearly here to disrupt and inflame is apparently in the spirit of… 🤷‍♀️