Ocasio-Cortez vs Riley Gaines

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Wow. Just…wow. It’s so depressing how many female misogynists there are, and how many are in powerful positions.

thehill.com/homenews/media/5576319-ocasio-cortez-mocks-riley-gaines/

TBH, I just see a poster who has opinions that challenge those that prevail on the board. Are these kinds of views not allowed?

And I can see why that thread was deleted - it was basically a discussion of how to ignore/bully off one poster, who it is believed to be male/AI. (Constantly misgendering a poster can also be a form of bullying, can’t it?)

As I assume they complained? Interesting. Enough people saw the thread to know how to move forward though. Just quote the last poster on topic.
Is constantly, deliberately derailing threads also ‘not in the spirit?’

You make no sense.

Standing up for biological women in sport does not cancel the damage caused by a Pro Life stance.

Biologically it's impossible for a woman to have a penis. How does a woman have a penis socially? Some sort of time share?

Thatblackcat post makes perfect sense. You said 'Riley Gaines is alive an able to advocate for herself. She could leave the room.'

This is the problem with supporting trans ideology, it turns everything upside down. Women are expected to leave a space design for their own comfort because a man wants to use it.

It is impossible to design a space for 'gender', everyone knows this, so TRA have to say women who want to maintain single sex are unreasonable or make no sense.

There is always a reason women should just STFU.

-There are more important issues in the world.
-There are people suffering worse.
-They may be right about one issue but are hateful on another issue so they should be ignored.
-They may be right but they say it the wrong way.

The list is endless and it is old.

Maybe read back and get context for the point Blackcat was spectacularly ignoring. Better still educate yourself on what the pro life stance that RG is so proud of meant for Adriana Smith.

Protecting spaces for women does not cancel the damage of denying them bodily autonomy.

And where have I supported biological males in female only spaces or sport? Learn to read.

If I've got this right, you have a set of beliefs that you think are right, and if someone doesn't have the same matching set of their own beliefs then they stand to be denounced like RG.

Calling out the contradiction is not saying she should be ignored.

It perfectly possible to say that AOC's clap back was aggressive without holding up RG as some sort of paragon of virtue.

It is perfectly possible to accept that Riley Gaines was a victim of not only a male exposing himself in a changing room while getting into competitive swim gear and feeling she has had to expose herself, as well as being subject to an unfair and discriminatory policy in her event. However, in reading your posts, you seem to dismiss this with:

"Is not about abortion you are quite right. But holding up RG as some sort of victim is deeply offensive."

From what I have read of your posts, she isn't a victim because "She could leave the room."

Perhaps I'm being harsh but Adriana Smith was dead. Nothing the law, the hospitals did to her body mattered to her. She was beyond caring. It's arguable that the life of her child in this instance was the only one that mattered. His mother was beyond help.

There will be living women, able to advocate for themselves negatively affected by the laws that preserved Adriana's baby. His family gave him the name Chance.

They do the heavy lifting for us.

I sometimes wonder if they are secretly TERFs, as surely no one can be that thick to think they can persuade women to accept men with special identities into their spaces and sports, with the nonsensical ‘arguments’ that they present?

AOC? Well yes she is, but I’d be careful about calling the maddest TRAs “fascists”.

Exactly.

Apologies, I should reword this part:

From what I have read of your posts, we should not consider her a victim because "She could leave the room."

If you dont advocate for men in women spaces, why is do you say women should leave the space if men are exposing themselves?

Didn't it cross your mind that the solution should be no men in the space?

Women do not have a hive mind, we can all believe different things. I think that your belief that right wing women shouldnt have access to single sex spaces is nonsensical.

If Will Thomas had accepted being dropped from the male swim team
rather than cheating into the female team

we would never have heard of Riley Gaines.

Blame him
not her

I think they really believe it though. I don't think there has been any decent reporting on this issue in the mainstream US media (there's still hardly any here!) The fact Trump has of course jumped on the issue just confirms to them that gender critical/realist views are part of a package of hateful things Republicans believe. The US is so polarised at this point, I think it will take decades of lawsuits for the left to understand they have got this wrong

The last election was a perfect time to put the trans activism away, they knew then it wasnt winning them votes.

The fact that they cant let it go now shows that its going to take a lot to make them see sense. I think court cases will confirm the oppressed/oppressor narrative and make them double down. It'll take massive safeguarding fails that they cant ignore.

Same as Scotland.

If an ideology is anti-free speech, anti-freedom of belief, anti-science and anti-women and tries to control education, the arts and large governmental organisations through repression and censorship, then that ideology certainly has a large overlap with fascism and other totalitarian ideologies. Trans ideology ticks all those boxes.

When the activism is about children becoming true believers, being alienated from their parents, and then moved away into a separate sphere of influence where they can undergo experimental medical treatments, it's probably best to reassess this Right Side of History thing.

From looking at her social media, AOC seems to spend a lot of time thinking about how pretty she is and how to present herself as a ‘saviour’ of whichever oppressed group of the day. She seems quite authoritarian in her views and very much comes across like it’s her way or the highway (I wonder what she’s like to work for?)

Supporting men who call themselves women is the quick win for people like her. She awards herself huge kudos (backed by the idiot Democrats) for advocating for the poor downtrodden penis people and it gives her licence to bully (which I suspect she welcomes).

She doesn’t come across like she could ever question or re-evaluate her opinion on things so I suspect she is going to be one of the last standing in the ‘great trans crusade’ and will then disappear in a puff of irrelevance and self righteous anger.

AOC can say what she wants, but it is clear that hardline against women's sports is a disaster and even the Dems are going to find it tough to maintain. I think the trans debate is going to be a defining factor in Democrat politics which they won't be able to duck.

The era of no debate is over. AOC can slag off Riley Gaines as much as she wants, but RG just thinks more or less the same as Kamala Harris. That women should be allowed to have sports.

Kamala Harris said in her recent book that she believed women should have sports
“The ad also said that I supported ‘biological men competing against our girls in their sports.’ That's not my position,” she continued.
“I agree with the concerns expressed by parents and players that we have to take into account biological factors such as muscle mass and unfair athletic advantage when we determine who plays on which teams, especially in contact sports,” Harris clarified. “With goodwill and common sense, I believe we can come up with ways to do this, without vilifying and demonizing children.”
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416036-kamala-harris-says-women-should-have-sports

Interestingly Kamala has NOT been cancelled.

A "social reality", though, only exists in the minds of those that support it or who collude with it. It has no objective or clearly definable existence.

Biological sex is a measurable, easily definable reality the world over and always has been regardless of whether some people choose to ignore it.