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Treaclewell · 30/10/2025 00:38

I see that the brolly has a spike and that he was holding it towards her.

WaterThyme · 30/10/2025 07:25

Treaclewell · 29/10/2025 14:54

A very long time ago, when New Scientist was still printed on cheap paper, the column attributed to Daedalus had a piece about noise cancelling by using a reverse pattern of sound. Which Bose developed for headphones, followed by others.
Could some tech savvy person cook up a sound system size thing to do this to this guy?

It’s a nice idea but I doubt it.

The headphones work by detecting the sound waves arriving at your ears and adding the opposite wave. Where the incoming wave goes up, the added wave goes down to match for each frequency in the sound. At the same volume.

The problem would be creating a sound-cancelling bubble around the sound source. You’d have to flood the space around the source with the opposite wave, again at the same volume. The difficulty would be getting the right sound waves arriving to all the points in the bubble.

Though if you could focus close up on the speaker cones that might work. Not wholly but enough. I’m not a sound engineer. It would also need a generator of equal power to the source. I was there, his generator is chunky.

A screen might be more doable but less effective because sound doesn’t travel in straight lines like light does. It’s the air particles vibrating and bashing into each other. They spread broadly from the source. And it would have to be huge. Think of the padding in acoustically silent rooms.

Ovalframes · 30/10/2025 07:28

If ever proof were needed that the police are in cahoots...

WaterThyme · 30/10/2025 07:41

I have a short video of Susan remonstrating with two police officers just in front of Harlow. The brolly is folded away at that point. Harlow is lounging in his seat.

What stands out is that the police have their backs to Harlow and they are facing the crowd of us demonstrating. That was their stance the whole time. They were protecting him.

Like many others, I asked them to protect me. It was almost impossible to talk without shouting . I showed one of them the noise meter on my phone. He shrugged.

Hoardasurass · 30/10/2025 07:52

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 20:32

It alarms the fuck out of me, yes.

Don't forget we have the nebulous Hate Crime Act in Scotland. And apparently a Police force who are either happy to maliciously pursue those they don't like or see as a threat, or are doing so on the say so of someone high up.

Either possibility is murky as all get out.

The story is so absurd it seems funny, but the facts of the matter, leaving aside the bonkers broken brolly specifics, are actually quite chilling.

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What I find particularly telling is that its the parliamentary police (yes the same group who are under pressure for not stopping Harlow) who are behind this warning/caution/arrest threat

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/10/2025 07:55

Hoardasurass · 30/10/2025 07:52

What I find particularly telling is that its the parliamentary police (yes the same group who are under pressure for not stopping Harlow) who are behind this warning/caution/arrest threat

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Re the “someone high up” are we thinking someone in the government may be interfering?

Hoardasurass · 30/10/2025 08:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/10/2025 07:55

Re the “someone high up” are we thinking someone in the government may be interfering?

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Imho yes though i won't say who I think is behind it but I'd say its clear that there's pressure from someone with clout in government

pontefractals · 30/10/2025 08:37

WaterThyme · 30/10/2025 07:41

I have a short video of Susan remonstrating with two police officers just in front of Harlow. The brolly is folded away at that point. Harlow is lounging in his seat.

What stands out is that the police have their backs to Harlow and they are facing the crowd of us demonstrating. That was their stance the whole time. They were protecting him.

Like many others, I asked them to protect me. It was almost impossible to talk without shouting . I showed one of them the noise meter on my phone. He shrugged.

If you haven't done already, it might be worth contacting Susan and offering her the video - I'm thinking the more different angled but confirming footage she has, the better.

Seriestwo · 30/10/2025 08:59

Who are parliamentary police and how many of them are there? They must be actual police officers but paid for by Parliament rather than police Scotland?

I spoke to one after a committee meeting - he said he’d done years in the regular police and took the job as a way of easing into retirement. My impression was that he was a bit bored.

They will get to know the people in Holyrood and we know the security staff did not treat women the same as they treated others - I expect “without fear or favour” has been skewed by working in a very odd environment. Holyrood is a disaster in many ways.

JellySaurus · 30/10/2025 09:14

IIRC in Mr Menno’s video, before she approaches the disruptor Susan first tells Menno that she is going to ask him to turn down the music because there is neighbouring demo where people are reading out the names of dead children and he is drowning out their voices.

What nasty, self-righteous man.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/10/2025 09:15

It worries me that someone complains to the police about something minor, then the police make a formal accusation, then there's a stushie in the press and MSPs publish letters about it... and then the police have a think about whether to proceed with the accusation or not.

If umbrella bloke had been waved his brolly at someone who wasn't as well connected and determined and high profile as Susan Smith - what then?

I just don't feel that this how policing is supposed to work.

ArabellaSaurus · 30/10/2025 09:42

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/10/2025 09:15

It worries me that someone complains to the police about something minor, then the police make a formal accusation, then there's a stushie in the press and MSPs publish letters about it... and then the police have a think about whether to proceed with the accusation or not.

If umbrella bloke had been waved his brolly at someone who wasn't as well connected and determined and high profile as Susan Smith - what then?

I just don't feel that this how policing is supposed to work.

Wait til you hear what they did to Alex Salmond. And Craig Murray.

WaterThyme · 30/10/2025 10:27

pontefractals · 30/10/2025 08:37

If you haven't done already, it might be worth contacting Susan and offering her the video - I'm thinking the more different angled but confirming footage she has, the better.

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Done

ArabellaSaurus · 30/10/2025 13:29

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18486252.claim-crown-police-bias-approach-salmond-trial-fallout/

An interesting letter from back in 2020, regarding Police Scotland.

WTFAustraliaThisIsWhatHappensHereNow · 31/10/2025 03:54

Treaclewell · 30/10/2025 00:38

I see that the brolly has a spike and that he was holding it towards her.

So why isn’t it classified as a weapon? It is definitely being used as one…

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 08:39

https://archive.is/bQdIA

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/10/2025 08:59

Thanks for the link, a great article, except for:

"...she’s the one in the emerald green majorette blazer and trousers, just daring you to ask if she is personally acquainted with the Lollipop Guild.) "

He couldn't resist the urge to make a comment on a women's clothes. 😠

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 11:41

IDK what the Lollipop Guild even is, so it's wasted on me ...

Treaclewell · 31/10/2025 12:26

Munchkins. Oz.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/10/2025 12:42

Treaclewell · 31/10/2025 12:26

Munchkins. Oz.

So not just her clothes then - heightist bastard!

I was going to fogive him on the grounds that she'd probably chosen green to make a feminist statement but men really don't get it, do they?

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 12:48

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/10/2025 12:42

So not just her clothes then - heightist bastard!

I was going to fogive him on the grounds that she'd probably chosen green to make a feminist statement but men really don't get it, do they?

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No. For the most part, they really don't. There are a few exceptional exceptions.

lcakethereforeIam · 31/10/2025 19:14

Another article about this in the Telegraph wi6th a bit of backstory on NCHIs

https://archive.ph/8sH4k

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/31/police-under-fire-over-rainbow-umbrella-row/

This

Mr Fraser, a Mid Scotland and Fife MSP, was reported to the police by a member of the public in Nov 2023 after he posted on social media about the SNP’s gender self-ID policy.

He wrote: “Choosing to identify as ‘non-binary’ is as valid as choosing to identify as a cat.”
Police Scotland judged that the post was not a crime but logged it as an NCHI, without telling him. After finding out, he tried unsuccessfully to get the force to withdraw the NCHI, but the force refused, saying it adopted a “victim-centred approach”.

Reminded me of Glinner's bail conditions being amended. The use of the loaded word 'victim'. To call someone that strongly infers there has been a crime and, by extension, that the person being accused is therefore guilty of something.

In the Susan Smith case, she could have accused the brolly wielder of...assault, why not. Obviously PS would have ignored her because woman (OFCK), but if they didn't i can envision a scenario of each party racing to reach the police first. Desperate that the victim/culprit goes their way.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/31/police-under-fire-over-rainbow-umbrella-row

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 01/11/2025 17:05

The weather being showery this afternoon, some women at the "199 Days later" demo outside the Scottish parliament this afternoon (peaceful and well policed) had decorated their umbrellas with the slogan "Protect the brolls" 😁

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2025 17:07

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 01/11/2025 17:05

The weather being showery this afternoon, some women at the "199 Days later" demo outside the Scottish parliament this afternoon (peaceful and well policed) had decorated their umbrellas with the slogan "Protect the brolls" 😁

hahaha

DorotheaDiamond · 01/11/2025 17:24

WaterThyme · 30/10/2025 07:25

It’s a nice idea but I doubt it.

The headphones work by detecting the sound waves arriving at your ears and adding the opposite wave. Where the incoming wave goes up, the added wave goes down to match for each frequency in the sound. At the same volume.

The problem would be creating a sound-cancelling bubble around the sound source. You’d have to flood the space around the source with the opposite wave, again at the same volume. The difficulty would be getting the right sound waves arriving to all the points in the bubble.

Though if you could focus close up on the speaker cones that might work. Not wholly but enough. I’m not a sound engineer. It would also need a generator of equal power to the source. I was there, his generator is chunky.

A screen might be more doable but less effective because sound doesn’t travel in straight lines like light does. It’s the air particles vibrating and bashing into each other. They spread broadly from the source. And it would have to be huge. Think of the padding in acoustically silent rooms.

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See Arthur C Clarke story "Silence Please" here

https://archive.org/details/talesfromwhiteha00clar