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nicepotoftea · 07/11/2025 19:57

"So when I read about an organisation whose core purpose is to “protect and strengthen women and children’s rights”, occupying its time trying to exclude a minority from protections instead of championing for more funding for frontline women’s services, I am baffled."

occupying its time trying to exclude a minority

I know there are supposed to be slightly more women than men, but 'men are a minority' is an angle that hadn't occurred to me.

SinnerBoy · 07/11/2025 19:58

Christinapple · 07/11/2025 12:16

It's worth noting if you intentionally grab or strike something someone is holding that is still assault in England. Anything that is being held like an umbrella counts as an extension of their body.

Christ, you dont half talk a load of old shite.

CrocsNotDocs · 07/11/2025 20:11

Christinapple · 07/11/2025 12:16

It's worth noting if you intentionally grab or strike something someone is holding that is still assault in England. Anything that is being held like an umbrella counts as an extension of their body.

Exactly. People aren’t taking this seriously enough. The Scottish Play makes it very clear that the finger of a birth strangled babe is a critical ingredient in a witch’s brew that will make men do crazy regicide stuff that they wouldn’t normally do. Imagine how much more powerful the touch of the fingers of a fully grown witch on a man’s rain cover would be. I just think the police have been scared off by the idea that the fem witches might start incantations on them.

SinnerBoy · 07/11/2025 22:04

How dare you try to grab the carving knife I'm stabbing you with! That's assault! Call the Police on her!

ArabellaSaurus · 07/11/2025 22:08

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/11/2025 19:55

fucking hell, is that really what the article says? can I be a journalist too please? I promise not to write about my nose hairs, which will make me 300% better than Marissa

Please be a journalist. This woman's prose makes me want to commit hari kiri with a collapsible umbrella.

ArabellaSaurus · 07/11/2025 22:14

'Anything that is being held like an umbrella counts as an extension of their body.'

IANAL, but I dont think this is an actual law. Is the Brolloid Bodily Embiggening Bill one of the SNP's next wheezes?

JanesLittleGirl · 07/11/2025 22:23

Christinapple · 07/11/2025 12:16

It's worth noting if you intentionally grab or strike something someone is holding that is still assault in England. Anything that is being held like an umbrella counts as an extension of their body.

Citation needed

SirChenjins · 07/11/2025 22:32

Always a pleasure to read your shite Chris.

stomachamelon · 07/11/2025 23:23

@SirChenjins you took the words right out of my mouth.

TalkingintheDark · 08/11/2025 00:56

SidewaysOtter · 07/11/2025 13:32

How the hell did Police Scotland have time to deal with a slightly bent brolly when they failed to investigate predators like this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2wxd278n7o

God this is awful. To think they went after Susan for supposedly damaging the brolly, in the face of all the crystal clear evidence that she hadn’t - and kept going after her for quite some time - but they spent all those years doing nothing about this man and his genuine threats and genuine harm caused to women.

My response is usually anger or just laughing at how pathetic all the fuckery is, but this just made me want to cry.

Women put in literal danger, at least one woman actually raped because Police Scotland couldn’t be arsed to do their job, but they’ve got all the time and resources in the world to do the bidding of bullies like Harlow. He says jump and they eagerly ask how high.

I’m glad they’ve seen sense now (I wonder what finally prompted it?) but it’s absolutely insane they ever even countenanced taking action against her.

How much worse is it going to get before it really starts to get better?

BundleBoogie · 08/11/2025 08:37

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/11/2025 08:30

Tangentially related, here’s a story of Police Scotland ignoring multiple reports over many years of a man committing sexual assault and fraud against women. They were only spurred on to actually properly investigate him by one of his victims going to the media

Police Scotland don’t really seem to feel that they’re here for women do they?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2wxd278n7o

Police Scotland said earlier reports were "mainly around the financial situation" and they were all treated in isolation - a situation it hoped "wouldn't be replicated now".

They hope it wouldn’t be replicated now?? How about they put robust measures into place to make damn sure it wouldn’t be replicated now. Unbelievable!!

Treaclewell · 08/11/2025 09:22

Christinapple · 07/11/2025 12:16

It's worth noting if you intentionally grab or strike something someone is holding that is still assault in England. Anything that is being held like an umbrella counts as an extension of their body.

By that logic, his brolly counts as an extension of his body, and so, given its approach to Susan Smith before she touches it, he is guilty of assault. (According to my grandfather on being approached by someone waving a fist in his face but not quite touching, that would have counted as assault.) So she was using reasonable self defence.

anyolddinosaur · 08/11/2025 09:45

I hope when she has her meeting with the police she points out Chris's interpretation of the law and that the guy was assaulting her with a weapon. Fortunately as she defended herself she was not hurt but why has he not been charged with assault or at least threatening behaviour? The noise he made and the refusal to reduce the volume means he should have been charged with antisocial behaviour - why did they not do so?

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/11/2025 10:04

Treaclewell · 08/11/2025 09:22

By that logic, his brolly counts as an extension of his body, and so, given its approach to Susan Smith before she touches it, he is guilty of assault. (According to my grandfather on being approached by someone waving a fist in his face but not quite touching, that would have counted as assault.) So she was using reasonable self defence.

Exactly! You don't need to make contact to commit assault so the poking of the umbrella towards Susan was him assaulting her in the first place. Obviously her mistake was not getting her retaliation in first by making a complaint of assault to the police before he did.

HildegardP · 10/11/2025 22:26

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/11/2025 08:30

Tangentially related, here’s a story of Police Scotland ignoring multiple reports over many years of a man committing sexual assault and fraud against women. They were only spurred on to actually properly investigate him by one of his victims going to the media

Police Scotland don’t really seem to feel that they’re here for women do they?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2wxd278n7o

Jesus wept. The IO whimpering excuses like "reported in different divisions" doesn't cut it. Merging all the Scottish Forces was at least partly sold as a measure to prevent failures of communication like that, so why the hell are they still happening & why the hell does a DCI still imagine it's a viable excuse?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 11/11/2025 08:14

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/11/2025 10:04

Exactly! You don't need to make contact to commit assault so the poking of the umbrella towards Susan was him assaulting her in the first place. Obviously her mistake was not getting her retaliation in first by making a complaint of assault to the police before he did.

Edited

I would suspect in activist terms, it would be insisted that whatever is done to a non compliant woman is never assault for many Reasons, most of which boil down to a truncated version of the narcissist's prayer (that didn't happen, if it did it didn't matter, and if it did, you deserved it)

Rather like the political belief that a woman cannot be 'raped' by a man who identifies as a woman. 🙄

Susan Smith facing charges for trans brolly spat.
Seriestwo · 11/11/2025 08:56

Fucking hell. It really is south park’s analysis of “oh, in that case do whatever you like all of the time”

SinnerBoy · 11/11/2025 13:44

What the actual fuck?

Datun · 11/11/2025 14:56

I can remember reading that, and thinking okay, there might be some politicians, teachers, broadcasters, etc who don't agree with that specific sentiment, but they uphold and encourage the ideology that led to it.

ArabellaSaurus · 11/11/2025 15:33

There's also Sturgeon's 'rapist gender' defence, whereby Isla Bryson, having raped two women, could therefore not be transgender.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 11/11/2025 15:59

ArabellaSaurus · 11/11/2025 15:33

There's also Sturgeon's 'rapist gender' defence, whereby Isla Bryson, having raped two women, could therefore not be transgender.

Isn't that (appropriately!) the "no true Scotsman" argument?

Kucinghitam · 11/11/2025 17:34

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 11/11/2025 08:14

I would suspect in activist terms, it would be insisted that whatever is done to a non compliant woman is never assault for many Reasons, most of which boil down to a truncated version of the narcissist's prayer (that didn't happen, if it did it didn't matter, and if it did, you deserved it)

Rather like the political belief that a woman cannot be 'raped' by a man who identifies as a woman. 🙄

What the fuck did I just read???!!! ShockAngryShockAngry

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 11/11/2025 17:55

This TRA 'logic'. Terrifying isn't it.

MarieDeGournay · 26/11/2025 17:29

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 11/11/2025 08:14

I would suspect in activist terms, it would be insisted that whatever is done to a non compliant woman is never assault for many Reasons, most of which boil down to a truncated version of the narcissist's prayer (that didn't happen, if it did it didn't matter, and if it did, you deserved it)

Rather like the political belief that a woman cannot be 'raped' by a man who identifies as a woman. 🙄

That glib excusing of rape by trans-identifying men is nauseating, isn't it?

There are groups which, taken broadly as a group, are in a position of relatively less power than other groups in society, and that can manifest itself in various situations e.g. in education, the justice system etc.. I have no problem with that analysis - though I don't accept that transpeople belong in that analysis.

So if a woman is raped by a man from a group which is considered less powerful in society, it's not rape?
When I was sexually abused as a child by a disabled man - I was able-bodied at the time - it wasn't sexual abuse because he belonged to a group which is less powerful in society than able-bodied people?
That's the 'logic' of transwomen who rape not being rapists.

The power imbalance which exists on a social level doesn't carry through to the personal level. On an individual level, in a case of male sexual violence, any broad unequal distribution of power which affects the rapist in other contexts is completely irrelevant.

Not that I believe that trans-identifying men fit into this at all, they have an inordinate amount of power and influence in society.

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