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yourhairiswinterfire · 29/10/2025 11:55

Really doubt she'll be convicted because the crap brolly was clearly already broken, as shown in multiple photos and videos, but it would be so out of character for the police to let silly things like facts and evidence stop them from hounding women on behalf of repulsive, misogynist twats, so not surprising to see this. Absolute tossers.

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 12:01

Largesso · 29/10/2025 10:02

I can’t help but think this looks distinctly like revenge policing.

FWS raised serious concerns about the protection given to this dude by police officers on duty who seemed to be a bit clueless about the law, their job on the day etc. They didn’t even check whether he had sought permission to be there for his counter protest (which you need to have to protest outside of Scottish Parliament). I believe there was some to-ing and fro-ing by the police seeking advice but the result was a failure and a mess.

As a result, if I remember correctly but don’t have it to hand, Police Scotland issued a statement which wasn’t an apology per se but acknowledged it has things to learn or similar.

It is quite clear from all the evidence on the day: multiple witness accounts; video evidence (and there will be CCTV I’m sure) that Tim Harlow (I think that’s his name or something similar) didn’t have permission to be there (although mail says that’s ‘unclear’); breached permissible sound levels and was using the umbrella as a weapon. The police can’t possibly have been persuaded by any claim from him that he felt threatened by Susan Smith, there were police within touching distance, but even if he did feel threatened by her approach using the umbrella to poke at her is not a proportionate response. Given that this is not the charge kinda proves it can’t really be argued.

She approached him merely to ask him to turn the volume down and he poked at her. She put her arm up to protect herself and it is clear she barely touched it. All evidence shows any damage was already there before the encounter.

So why would they charge her with vandalism and ask her to come and accept the charge rather than go to her and arrest her?

There is another protest this weekend and so it feels
to me like the timing of this is relevant. I think they want Susan Smith to feel intimidated and to ensure she can’t go to the protest by these means.

Why? The only logical reason, in my view, must be they are looking out for their buds who will be policing the event. The ones of last time have no doubt been reprimanded for being bozos. The supervisor on duty who was consulted was probably also reprimanded for being a bozo.

So they want to try and use the charge to stop these annoying older women pointing out their bozo-ness.

I would also imagine that Tim Harlow has learned a few tricks from Lyndsey Watson and threatened judicial
review if charges aren’t brought but since anyone with at least one brain cell can read these charges as wholly trumped up charges I don’t really think that’s what’s going on.

It feels to me like revenge from the police ganging up to pay back FWS for having some influence whixh highlights their bozoness.

I think capture is the least of it. I think it is bare naked hatred against older women. Matrophobia threaded through the institution.

Legally in Scotland charges can only be brought after Procurator Fiscal process so given no PF would charge on this evidence this must mean she is being formally accused and will be reported to the PF after she ‘accepts’ this not that the PF has already authorised prosecution although it looks as if it has been dressed up to suggest a formal charge. That they are saying she could face a criminal charge if she doesn’t is a clear threat but probably just means they’d put the case to the PF who would dump it like a hot brick within seconds.

On all the information available there can be no other reading than revenge and intimidation.

I don’t think the bozos realise what will likely be coming in response to such behaviour. FWS are not known for letting the bozos away with shit.

Agree with all of this, and yes, this weekend's upcoming protests will likely have something to do with it.

I'd have thought it was somewhat foolish, given that the women involved have lawyers and members of Parliament supporting them, to try and pull this kind of political policing stunt, but what do I know.

Greyskybluesky · 29/10/2025 12:13

Thanks for setting it all out clearly @Largesso

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 12:24

Lucy Hunter Blackburn on X:

'Who was the most senior person who signed this off? Yes, the CC will be asked, but proper accountability involves unpicking what’s going on inside PS, and where exactly this decision was made.'

https://x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1983466238765645824

I'm curious whether Holyrood has influence on this kind of police issue, especially when the alleged incident was on Holyrood land.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2025 13:32

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 11:45

'The Mail understands that Mrs Smith will refuse the offer of a warning by police next week and has been told that will mean she will be charged with vandalism.
She could also face bail conditions that may include banning her from Holyrood, the scene of the alleged offence.'

Scotgov are terrified of women, I think.

Which will attract damaging national, and probably international press coverage.

nicepotoftea · 29/10/2025 13:40

I just want to confirm - are these the police who are working out of the Edinburgh police stations described by Ian Rankin?

I'm a couple of books behind, but I'm having difficultly imagining where Rebus fits into any of this.

Treaclewell · 29/10/2025 14:54

A very long time ago, when New Scientist was still printed on cheap paper, the column attributed to Daedalus had a piece about noise cancelling by using a reverse pattern of sound. Which Bose developed for headphones, followed by others.
Could some tech savvy person cook up a sound system size thing to do this to this guy?

MarieDeGournay · 29/10/2025 15:14

This is an obscure 1960s French cinema reference, but here goes anyway:
'Les Parapluies d'Edimbourg'☂😄

Harassedevictee · 29/10/2025 15:43

Wow. This is bonkers.

I really feel for Susan as the stress of going through this is awful. I also admire her determination to stand up for what is right.

Thelnebriati · 29/10/2025 16:31

Fetch my tin foil hat once more - the police are wasting time on this because they are one of the organisations driving the agenda.

RoyalCorgi · 29/10/2025 16:33

MarieDeGournay · 29/10/2025 15:14

This is an obscure 1960s French cinema reference, but here goes anyway:
'Les Parapluies d'Edimbourg'☂😄

Not at all obscure!

PriOn1 · 29/10/2025 16:42

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 12:24

Lucy Hunter Blackburn on X:

'Who was the most senior person who signed this off? Yes, the CC will be asked, but proper accountability involves unpicking what’s going on inside PS, and where exactly this decision was made.'

https://x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1983466238765645824

I'm curious whether Holyrood has influence on this kind of police issue, especially when the alleged incident was on Holyrood land.

Was speaking to an ex-police officer about this today. He said there used to be eight chief constables in Scotland, each with their own mind as well as their own area. That meant it was hard for the government to wield much influence as they had to convince them all.

Now everything is centralized and most of the high-ups in the police are more interested in how to get their next promotion than actual policing, which means they follow any new trendy initiative put forward.

I don’t think there’s much doubt these actions are vindictive. Possibly also tactical if they are trying to stop women attending protests. What is happening here should alarm us all.

JohnTheRevelator · 29/10/2025 17:08

Anyone would think that the police farce force haven't got enough real crime to deal with.

Largesso · 29/10/2025 17:15

Interesting! Language suggests the review is not yet complete which would make going for a Police Recorded Warning very odd indeed.

Imnobody4 · 29/10/2025 17:38

From Political Ed of HeraldScotland

Climbdown from Police Scotland here? They say they will 'review' the attempt to issue a Recorded Police Warning to For Women Scotland's Susan Smith.

x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1983576810295034072?t=T3lmyB2Yv_PXDT2QFcdm7g&s=19

LizzieSiddal · 29/10/2025 18:24

Imnobody4 · 29/10/2025 17:38

From Political Ed of HeraldScotland

Climbdown from Police Scotland here? They say they will 'review' the attempt to issue a Recorded Police Warning to For Women Scotland's Susan Smith.

x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1983576810295034072?t=T3lmyB2Yv_PXDT2QFcdm7g&s=19

Hopefully an adult at PS has heard the media attention and decided to sort this fiasco out.

nicepotoftea · 29/10/2025 18:39

"Smith, one of the rally organisers, asked him to turn down the music and he responded by shoving a rainbow-coloured umbrella towards her face, video shows. Smith briefly grabbed onto the umbrella, which appeared to have already been broken, leading Harlow to complain to police that he had been “harassed and intimidated”."

If this is what the Times feel they can report as fact having seen the evidence, it raises serious questions about the internal workings of the police force - not just the specifics of this particular case, but how they go about charging anyone and how their resources are spent.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/10/2025 19:57

BorgQueen · 29/10/2025 11:14

Are there no adults in charge of Police Scotland?
Who does he know ( or what dirt has he got) that he’s got the type of clout to get the Polis acting like his own little Stasi?

Robert Peel would be spinning in his grave if he knew his 'modern police force' had morphed into the goon squad for the freakerarty, it put's a whole new spin on bent copper. 😂

OrangeT · 29/10/2025 19:57

There are some incidents that give me the absolute rage - this is one of them. PS are utter incompetent fuckwits. I hate being Scottish right now.

I also keep thinking surely this time this is the news story that cuts through through to the general public.

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 20:32

PriOn1 · 29/10/2025 16:42

Was speaking to an ex-police officer about this today. He said there used to be eight chief constables in Scotland, each with their own mind as well as their own area. That meant it was hard for the government to wield much influence as they had to convince them all.

Now everything is centralized and most of the high-ups in the police are more interested in how to get their next promotion than actual policing, which means they follow any new trendy initiative put forward.

I don’t think there’s much doubt these actions are vindictive. Possibly also tactical if they are trying to stop women attending protests. What is happening here should alarm us all.

It alarms the fuck out of me, yes.

Don't forget we have the nebulous Hate Crime Act in Scotland. And apparently a Police force who are either happy to maliciously pursue those they don't like or see as a threat, or are doing so on the say so of someone high up.

Either possibility is murky as all get out.

The story is so absurd it seems funny, but the facts of the matter, leaving aside the bonkers broken brolly specifics, are actually quite chilling.

Okiedokie123 · 29/10/2025 20:44

genandtonic · 29/10/2025 08:47

It’s that Tom bloke from cabaret of hate ( I think) he was drumming up dancing etc and being the spokesperson/turning up the music at the let women speak in Edinburgh. He was certainly enjoying being centre of attention.
Surely he should have been asked to move along/turn volume down during this?

Yes that’s him. I posted Mr Mennos footage of that day upthread. Mr Menno gets a mention in the OPs article too - hopefully that will mean more followers for him. He’s so lovely.

HildegardP · 29/10/2025 21:25

I hadn't looked over Harwood's stuff before but Bronies are grim & he's just the right kind of age to have been around when Bronies were posting seriously NSFW crap to My Little Pony fan sites & some of them were contacting small children for all the reasons you can imagine.
A lot of the grimness is documented on Reddit though you have to do a bit of ferreting to get into the unpleasant detail. Time was, I thought a grown man into MLP was just a bit of kitsch fun, now if I see any bloke w MLP merch/ refs I'm backing all the way away.

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