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Hobbycraft employee badge - no terfs, no Tories

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ItsCoolForCats · 27/10/2025 18:36

Another example of why bringing your whole self to work is a terrible idea.

Hobbycraft seems to be busy trying to mitigate the fallout, presumably because they know which demographic spends the most money there.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5359520/dundee-hobbycraft-trans-row/

EXCLUSIVE: Perthshire designer 'ordered to leave' Dundee Hobbycraft shop after transgender rights badge row

Crieff woman Rebekah Chapman claims she was subjected to "intolerance and nasty slogans" after complaining about a staff member's "no terfs, no Tories" badge.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5359520/dundee-hobbycraft-trans-row/

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MoltenLasagne · 30/10/2025 13:03

SionnachRuadh · 30/10/2025 10:58

This whole thread is pretty wild:
Page 8 | To want a South American husband | Mumsnet

Just wow. Adds a whole new lens to some contributions...

tigger1001 · 30/10/2025 13:20

Swiftasthewind · 29/10/2025 10:18

I am in my 40’s please don’t belittle me like that. We are having a good discourse here, out of courtesy I have dropped the arguments about ‘Terfs’ because I do acknowledge this forum is heavily bent in that direction, but with the Tories I thought we would all be in agreement that it’s fine?

Of course it's not fine!!

no one should be displaying badges like that while customer facing at work (not at work full stop really).

what it tells me about the individual is that they think they are right and are not open to debate and are willing to risk their job (or don't realise that's what they are doing) by displaying political views in an area that it's not suitable for.

their job is to serve customers. Irrespective of that customers political views. Sell art/craft supplies. Their personal views are irrelevant unless it's "I recommend x product"

I shop (or at least I did) in that particular hobbycraft regularly and the staff are usually very knowledgeable about their products. That's all I look for in a hobbycraft staff member. But one who brought their personal views into the shop which resulted in getting a customer, who was expressing legally protected views, removed from the shop is way out of bounds.

InBedwiththeBeddie · 30/10/2025 13:24

MoltenLasagne · 30/10/2025 13:03

Just wow. Adds a whole new lens to some contributions...

That's one of the most disgusting threads I've seen on here for a long time!

tigger1001 · 30/10/2025 13:28

Swiftasthewind · 29/10/2025 21:32

I know that you are intending to mock my position but in all honesty, why should people’s voting records be private? People should not be able to vote for parties like Reform and be able to work in roles that require interacting and assisting immigrants and asylum seekers, which you absolutely can because nobody has any real idea who votes for who. That system is not fit for purpose in today’s society.

A secret ballot system is the only way to ensure a democratic election.

it actually boggles my mind that people would remove that right from people and not see the consequences and it's the same people that throw words like "facisit" about.

as a society we have lost the ability to be able to debate things and as a result we become more and more polarised. It's not good for society.

JaquelineHide · 30/10/2025 13:31

SionnachRuadh · 30/10/2025 10:58

This whole thread is pretty wild:
Page 8 | To want a South American husband | Mumsnet

Cringe Wince GIF

What the CHUFF!

CassOle · 30/10/2025 13:35

Swift has done no wrong. We are all prudish meanies and are taking her words out of context.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5433356-to-want-a-south-american-husband?reply=148177538&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

JaquelineHide · 30/10/2025 13:38

CassOle · 30/10/2025 13:35

"Exotic lovelies" no racism there at all, nope.

JamesWebbSpaceTelescope · 30/10/2025 13:59

Left and right are economic positions. While liberalism and authoritarian are social positions.

The political compass puts economic on the x-axis and social on the y-axis. Overly simplistic but shows the differences well. Swift is very much on the extreme authoritarian and left.

Most people hover around the middle.

lcakethereforeIam · 30/10/2025 14:21

People should not be able to vote for parties like Reform and be able to work in roles that require interacting and assisting immigrants and asylum seekers, which you absolutely can because nobody has any real idea who votes for who.

If we're going to restrict a whole bunch of people who vote in ways we don't like from doing certain things, being certain places, it'd be a bit of a faff for employers and service providers to have to check a register in order to make sure the person they may interact with is a 'good sort'. Perhaps, ironically, the unmentionables should be made to wear a badge? Not a yellow star, that's been done. Or perhaps be made to live in certain areas. I think there's a name for these places...grotto? Nevermind, it'll come to me. I doubt this will have any influence on how people vote. Once the undesirables have been...re-educated no-one will vote wrongly. We could probably do away with elections, they'll be no need. Think of the money we'll save! 😊

Kucinghitam · 30/10/2025 14:26

lcakethereforeIam · 30/10/2025 14:21

People should not be able to vote for parties like Reform and be able to work in roles that require interacting and assisting immigrants and asylum seekers, which you absolutely can because nobody has any real idea who votes for who.

If we're going to restrict a whole bunch of people who vote in ways we don't like from doing certain things, being certain places, it'd be a bit of a faff for employers and service providers to have to check a register in order to make sure the person they may interact with is a 'good sort'. Perhaps, ironically, the unmentionables should be made to wear a badge? Not a yellow star, that's been done. Or perhaps be made to live in certain areas. I think there's a name for these places...grotto? Nevermind, it'll come to me. I doubt this will have any influence on how people vote. Once the undesirables have been...re-educated no-one will vote wrongly. We could probably do away with elections, they'll be no need. Think of the money we'll save! 😊

Even better than that, we could make it so that nobody can even think unapproved thoughts or utter incorrect sayings. We could do this by modifying language to eliminate all unacceptable concepts, then people won't even have the ability to think of them! Perhaps we could name this new speech, um... help me out here, any ideas?

Abhannmor · 30/10/2025 14:33

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 29/10/2025 23:06

I don't even wear a poppy at work, because sectarianism still exists where I currently live. Even though all my colleagues know that I'm from a non-sectarian part of the UK, a poppy would still automatically be perceived as taking a side, the side with the orange sashes and bowler hats...

Not to derail but ...I can remember when TV presenters,newsreaders didn't wear poppies. Or any adornment really. Was that a policy or just personal preference though?

Grammarnut · 30/10/2025 14:40

JumpingPumpkin · 27/10/2025 19:06

I don’t get the no tories bit either. I don’t expect shops to choose to only serve people with specific political views. Daft.

Also discriminatory. The shop has left itself open to being sued by either GC women or Conservatives, both of which hold protected characteristics of belief.

CassOle · 30/10/2025 15:09

Kucinghitam · 30/10/2025 14:26

Even better than that, we could make it so that nobody can even think unapproved thoughts or utter incorrect sayings. We could do this by modifying language to eliminate all unacceptable concepts, then people won't even have the ability to think of them! Perhaps we could name this new speech, um... help me out here, any ideas?

Double plus good.

JellySaurus · 30/10/2025 15:12

Swiftasthewind · 29/10/2025 10:18

I am in my 40’s please don’t belittle me like that. We are having a good discourse here, out of courtesy I have dropped the arguments about ‘Terfs’ because I do acknowledge this forum is heavily bent in that direction, but with the Tories I thought we would all be in agreement that it’s fine?

Really? No! It’s not fine to assume that we all believe the same nastiness as you. It’s not fine to assume that it’s OK to belittle whole groups of people because of who they vote for. That is not what this forum is about.

I don’t care what a person believes. I care what they do, how they treat their fellow human beings, how they look after the world we share.

And even if others on this forum don’t think the same as me, that’s also OK. Because we are not a hive mind with a single thought, no more than a person who voted Tory would necessarily support every single Tory policy.

WeNeedToTalkAboutIT · 30/10/2025 15:28

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 27/10/2025 21:32

This reminds me of an independent craft seller I used to buy from when I had spare money. Then she posted how awful JKR is and that she doesn't want money from anyone who supports JK.
So I stopped buying from her and assume others did too. Now she posts a lot about how she's lost a lot of sales and she doesn't know why.

Oh I really hope this is true!

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 15:32

WeNeedToTalkAboutIT · 30/10/2025 15:28

Oh I really hope this is true!

Doubt it. Most people find Rowling’s stance on Trans Rights abhorrent. More likely she got a sales boost if anything.

WeNeedToTalkAboutIT · 30/10/2025 15:39

I'm a Labour voter, but a) I get the impression there are a fair number of Tories on Mumsnet, and all peace to them, b) it's not appropriate to wear a badge banishing them, and b) The Conservative party have put people other than White Men in their leadership roles for quite a long time now, whereas my lot have yet to manage it once. I'm sadly concluding that my lot do a lot of stomping and shouting about DEI while their lot just get on with it.

WeNeedToTalkAboutIT · 30/10/2025 15:40

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 15:32

Doubt it. Most people find Rowling’s stance on Trans Rights abhorrent. More likely she got a sales boost if anything.

Nah. Most people in the general population are either totally ambivalent about the whole issue. The people who shout very loudly find her stance abhorrent. That's not the same thing.

hihelenhi · 30/10/2025 15:44

Well, like Suzanne Moore, I have a working class Tory-voting mother. She's a lot more socially conservative than me, that's for sure, and we disagree on many issues - as I say, I've never voted for a right wing party in my life - but as the person who always taught me that regardless of who you vote for, women using our votes was essential (bc had suffragettes in the family, "women didn't tie themselves to railings for you not to use your vote" etc etc), she is certainly not a 'fascist', is working not middle class, abhors racism (esp the NF/BNP sort, and frankly had more negative to say about racists than lefties; she thinks lefties are unrealistic and not sensible) and unlike some supposedly more 'righteous and moral' posters here would find asking for sex tourism tips for which African countries to visit in order to find economically deprived "exotic lovelies" they can use for sex pretty fucking abhorrent on multiple fronts.

People have all sorts of reasons for voting the way they do.

It's generally both more intelligent and fruitful to exercise your curiosity to try to find out exactly why and where they're coming from than to blanket condemn those who vote differently from yourself, namecall ("fascists" "soulless") or make unevidenced claims about their moral characters. But I guess some here think that it is for them who, with their self righteousness and supposed (while wholly unevidenced) moral & intellectual superiority, to do the "educating" of others into their own way of thinking rather than deigning to "educate themselves" or even talk to anyone outside their own very narrow frame of reference. But then expect everyone else, those they clearly view as lesser mortals to be "shamed" into falling in line with their thinking.

Christ, it's embarrassing. Why would ANYONE trust such a person to be competent or knowledgeable enough to be able to inform government policy? Or to be even taken seriously in any way?

Ilovemychocolate · 30/10/2025 15:47

Kucinghitam · 27/10/2025 20:11

The Right Side of History going straight for the misogynistic slur as an opening gambit.

#OperationLetThemSpeak

FFS how boring and predictable!
Surely the “Karen” slur has been done to death now?!

hihelenhi · 30/10/2025 15:47

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 15:32

Doubt it. Most people find Rowling’s stance on Trans Rights abhorrent. More likely she got a sales boost if anything.

Actually, "most people" don't at all.

But then as you clearly don't consider anyone outside your very small social sphere to be actual people and don't live in an evidenced world, I can understand why you get basic facts about "people's" views entirely wrong.

As I said. You belong in North Korea. Ideal kind of society for you. When are you off?

lcakethereforeIam · 30/10/2025 15:50

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 15:32

Doubt it. Most people find Rowling’s stance on Trans Rights abhorrent. More likely she got a sales boost if anything.

Yeah, probably explains why JKR's book sales have been tanking and why everyone has totally lost interest in Harry Potter.Hmm

SidewaysOtter · 30/10/2025 16:01

People should not be able to vote for parties like Reform and be able to work in roles that require interacting and assisting immigrants and asylum seekers, which you absolutely can because nobody has any real idea who votes for who.

So what would you say, @Swiftasthewind , to someone who feels as strongly as you do but the other way round. They feel YOU should be banned from voting Labour and that doing so should bar you from public office, certain occupations, because they feel people who vote as you do can't be trusted.

How would you feel about that?

SidewaysOtter · 30/10/2025 16:04

lcakethereforeIam · 30/10/2025 15:50

Yeah, probably explains why JKR's book sales have been tanking and why everyone has totally lost interest in Harry Potter.Hmm

Yes, I remember the "great boycott" when Hogwarts Legacy came out a few years ago - to go by certain echo chambers, you'd think it would absolutely bomb. And yet it was a huge hit apart from the issue that there's no Mac version FFS

Similarly, a whole new TV series of the HP book is having vast amounts of money poured into it and Strike novels go straight to the top of the best seller list.

Care to share a credible source for your "most people" quote, @Swiftasthewind ?

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