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Another example of why bringing your whole self to work is a terrible idea.

Hobbycraft seems to be busy trying to mitigate the fallout, presumably because they know which demographic spends the most money there.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5359520/dundee-hobbycraft-trans-row/

Another statement that doesn’t reflect reality. Imagine believing that JK Rowling’s view is not shared by the majority. Then again, if you live in a bubble where others opinions are not heard, I guess you will believe in the bubble of alternative reality.

Posting this summary from the YouGov tracker

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…

Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 27 [16] 12% 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 15%
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74% 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 26%
Don't know 25 [22] 14%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 11%

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 25%. 2018 - 2024* this is decrease by 17%
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 58%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 25%
Don't know 25 [23] 17%. 2018 - 2024*this is decrease by 8%

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 13%
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%. 2018 - 2024* *this is increase by 20%
Don't know 23 [21] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 29%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 18%
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 55%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 28%
Don't know 26 [25] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

No surgery question was asked in 2018

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024
Should be allowed 26 [25] 19%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 63%. 2020 - 2024* *this is increase by 17%
Don't know 28 [27] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 23%. 2020 - 2024* *this is decrease by 8%
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 60%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 19%
Don't know 27 [25] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

And finally:

This question was also not asked in 201
Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, does or does not present a genuine risk of harm to women? 2020 in italics,2022 in [brackets] vs 2024

Does not present a genuine risk of harm 39 [32] 25%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 14%
Does present a genuine risk of harm 32[39] 55%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 23%
Don't know 29 [29] 20%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2018.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2020.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Internal_TransgenderIssues_220720_final_extraXbreak_FINAL.pdf

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

I assume it’s the same source for their claim that most people hate the tories despite the fact a hell of a lot of people vote for them.

Don’t you remember “Loadsamoney”, the rise of the barrow boy city trader, council tenants allowed to buy publicly owned housing at a discount, designer labels on the football terraces, tradies Wapping their wad on the counter (wallop)?

Well, quite.

The modern left does not have a hope in hell if it's operating in a completely alternate reality where it simply ignores and handwaves away 'facts and opinions it doesn't like or finds distasteful'.

I'm really not sure how anyone can imagine this is likely to be a successful strategy in the long run? Why not take the bit between your teeth (by "you" I don't mean you, Terrier!) face up to the reality, address opposing arguments thoroughly and with intelligence and integrity and then act accordingly to actually strengthen your argument and make a change instead of minimising inconvenient points of view and evidence, or attempting to silence those who share them with smears, ad hominems and other well-known propagandist techniques?

it's baffling. And if you literally don't HAVE better evidence and more informed points of view, what on earth are you doing promoting your ignorance instead of promoting solid evidence and persuasive arguments in the first place? Why on earth would you even continue believing what you do if the evidence is so weak?

Honestly, tribal thinking and "activism" like this is an absolute scourge. And extremely feeble. It's never going to be a winning a strategy in the long run.

I do, but what point are you trying to make?

That the narrative that “massive damage was done to working class lives and values by the Tories” is not the only version of the WC experience in the 80s

you are SOOOOO right
its as if Devil Woman had never been written

Blackadder was very good on this IIRC

One doesn't cancel out the other. Presumably you're aware that these factors are massively governed by the north-south divide. Personally I don't think it's OK that the lives and livelihoods of countless miners/steelworkers/shipbuilders were wrecked just because wide boys were coining it in in London. Do you?

(And incidentally, not all of us believe selling off social housing was a good thing either.)

Yeah, I know the North South divide was a massive factor but it doesn’t change the fact that many working class people did well in the 80s and Margaret Thatcher had a lot of support among the working class. I am dead against Right to Buy, I really hoped this Labour government would out a stop to it.

I know why people feel Right to Buy was a failure, but I am always surprised that people don't see the argument for it from a left leaning perspective.

Why should wc or less wealthy people be stuck paying rent endlessly, and effectivly be cut out of contributing what is usually the most valuble asset a family can have? An asset that can be used to access all kinds of oter credit and can be passed on as generational wealth?

Arguably this only perpetuates the gap between working and middle class people.

And the idea with this would be that if it worked, you would level up the wc as a whole, and there would not be anything like the need for as many council houses for those who remained.

Now, clearly that has not worked out, but I don't think that's just a matter of lack of social housing, it's a factor of lack of housing of all kinds, compared to the number of people who need it.

But the idea that people are usually better off to own their own homes has a lot of merit.

Name one, just ONE, thing JK has said against 'trans rights'? Just one. No one ever can. She advocates for WOMENS RIGHTS. Now, the Mens Rights Activists have re-badged feminism to be 'twwannnnsphobic'. It's just more misogyny. IN FACT, poll after poll after poll show not just a majority, but an overwhelming majority support JK. So you are deeply misinformed and in an ever-decreasing spiral of ignorance and fringe Mens Rights. You, are the minority.

Please tell me how is advocating that RAPE SURVIVORS LIKE ME have a female only single sex space to get undressed? Huh? Answer me that. But you won't. Because you can't. And you know it. And we all know it.

Yes JKR always going on about harming trans people... oh hang on, it's the reverse isn't it?
I expect you were confused for a moment too. After all, you don't really think women's rights should be chucked under a bus do you?

If she got a sales boost then she didn't notice. She's always posting about her her sales are down, she is losing money, might have to close up etc etc.

Thing is, I was happy to buy from her even knowing we had different opinions. Until she posted saying she didn't want money from JKR supporters. So I stopped buying from her. There's plenty of other indy sellers I can support instead.

Is it that awful soap woman?

As I have no idea who you mean, no. Not soap.

Good. Means there's a few virtue-signalling twats realising that terfs have money, then 😁

I would have thought money was hard to come by for Terfs these days, what with you all having to purchase as much Harry Potter merchandise as possible to make it look like people actually support Joanne 🙄

Nah, we leave that to the kids. They don't give a toss what TRAs say about JKR and they adore her stuff, all over the world.

Nice try

Do they? That comment goes against the established paradigm that the younger generations are far more left leaning and pro LGBTQIA+ than any of the generations before them. Just seems like bitter millennials who like her these days.

Ooh, we've got an accusation of being "bitter"!

Who had that on their bingo card? Bonus points for "established paradigm" too.

So far, @Swiftasthewind, you've claimed that JKR's sales are dropping, that a TRA-run shop can't possibly be losing business and actually JKR's sales are only holding up because TERFs are buying up all the stock to falsely boost sales. Care to provide a source for any of those claims? Because to me they sound like unsubstantiated bullshit that you've spouted to suit your (non-)argument.

Strange that isn't it? Also strange that - as @Hellofabore's stats from YouGov polls show, the public is increasingly against inclusion of transwomen in women's sports, spaces etc. That is, in three successive polls the numbers supporting this goes down significantly, the number against it goes up and the number of don't know also goes down. It's almost as through the more people know about the issues and the longer we all live with the issues the greater the support for women-only single sex protections.

Seems that 'educate yourself' has a startling effect.

It's actually having to crowdfund legal challenges that can drain women's resources a bit.

I have stats from Australia, Canada and one of the states in the USA and I think from NZ that also support JK Rowling’s opinion about how male people with transgender identities are not female when it comes to sport.

And if a male person cannot be considered a female for even just one aspect of being a female human, there is no logic on earth to support their claim they are or ever can be female. If the majority of a country’s population believe that a male person is not female and shouldn’t be playing in female sports categories, they don’t believe that male person is a female person at all.

It didn't take long for you to show your true colours did it? 🙄I've only purchased one thing of hers, and that was several years ago, before all this. I know it really grinds your gears that feminists support someone who defends womens rights. Sorry to burst your bubble but we aren't all MRAs like you. The majority of people do support womens rights. As much as you hate that idea.