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Hobbycraft employee badge - no terfs, no Tories

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ItsCoolForCats · 27/10/2025 18:36

Another example of why bringing your whole self to work is a terrible idea.

Hobbycraft seems to be busy trying to mitigate the fallout, presumably because they know which demographic spends the most money there.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5359520/dundee-hobbycraft-trans-row/

EXCLUSIVE: Perthshire designer 'ordered to leave' Dundee Hobbycraft shop after transgender rights badge row

Crieff woman Rebekah Chapman claims she was subjected to "intolerance and nasty slogans" after complaining about a staff member's "no terfs, no Tories" badge.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5359520/dundee-hobbycraft-trans-row/

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 02/11/2025 10:25

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nicepotoftea · 02/11/2025 10:27

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 02/11/2025 09:45

Those were the two points that didn’t sit well with me as well.

So the TRAs went too far, according to this author, by demanding that “trans rights” be given to anyone who vaguely expressed a passing dislike of the expectation to perform gender roles. The author suggests pulling back - but how far? Where do you draw the line? Who gets to decide what is trans enough? Since “fully medically transitioning” isn’t a thing (as in, you can have all the plastic surgery you want, but you can’t change your sex), you can’t have that as your line in the sand. So where do you put it?

And the complete - deliberate? Or just ignorant? - misunderstanding of what the GC stance is just plain put me off. I know this is an opinion piece, but if you want to ascribe thoughts to another person or group, you might want to, I dunno, talk to one of them first? Educate yourself, maybe?

The irony is that it's Stonewall and the ACLU who have campaigned to make it impossible to define 'trans', not feminists.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 02/11/2025 10:31

nicepotoftea · 02/11/2025 10:27

The irony is that it's Stonewall and the ACLU who have campaigned to make it impossible to define 'trans', not feminists.

That is one place where the author of the article got it mostly right.

ladyland · 02/11/2025 10:49

I’m only reading for the badger

lcakethereforeIam · 02/11/2025 10:57

How may I help you?

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Thatstheheatingon · 02/11/2025 11:52

fatcat2007 · 02/11/2025 10:09

Yes, quite. Or are we getting offended over everything these days.

It was meant to be offensive

JellySaurus · 02/11/2025 11:55

ladyland · 02/11/2025 10:49

I’m only reading for the badger

Here she is, in her properly inclusive and welcoming shop

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JellySaurus · 02/11/2025 11:59

Badgers may look cute, and they may prefer to avoid trouble, but they are fierce, intelligent, resilient fighters when they need to be.

JellySaurus · 02/11/2025 12:05

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So GC people are ‘removing the language that represents the feelings trans people have’? The utter hypocrisy! Remind me, which group is trying to take away and redefine the words woman, girl, lesbian, female?

SinnerBoy · 02/11/2025 15:26

ArabellaSaurus · 28/10/2025 13:46

'[Verse 3: Ginger Johnson]

Terfs and Tories make me spew
There's no hate on my menu
Tolerance and self-respect
Loosen up my gag reflex'

Translation:

Hey, hey we're the trans squad!
In toilets we love to leer,
We revel in upsetting ladies,
And pushing queer, queer, queer!

lcakethereforeIam · 02/11/2025 15:32

We're just trying be femly
Gonna watch girls in the nude
We're the trans generation
Don't care, our behaviour is crude

ruethewhirl · 02/11/2025 15:56

Davros · 30/10/2025 22:53

Yeah, I know the North South divide was a massive factor but it doesn’t change the fact that many working class people did well in the 80s and Margaret Thatcher had a lot of support among the working class. I am dead against Right to Buy, I really hoped this Labour government would out a stop to it.

We're definitely in agreement on that, then. I think the difficulty I have with how well many working class people did under Thatcher was that a lot of it was at the expense of other working class people. Things didn't level up in a way that was anywhere near equitable.

HildegardP · 02/11/2025 18:07

nicepotoftea · 02/11/2025 10:27

The irony is that it's Stonewall and the ACLU who have campaigned to make it impossible to define 'trans', not feminists.

That blew up in their faces in the recent Skrmetti case at the US Supreme Court - their own handwavey submissions to the effect; "trans is this and that & not this or that & fluidly sometimes something and not something successively & concurrently. Also, rainbows!" were precisely what prevented them being declared a "Suspect Class" - a definable, bounded group known to be subject to discrimination. A second reason for denial was that they are not politically powerless - nice to have that recognised by the Court.

SinnerBoy · 02/11/2025 18:14

I see that swiftashumptydumpty has redefined most to mean, "a small number."

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/11/2025 21:25

HildegardP · 02/11/2025 18:07

That blew up in their faces in the recent Skrmetti case at the US Supreme Court - their own handwavey submissions to the effect; "trans is this and that & not this or that & fluidly sometimes something and not something successively & concurrently. Also, rainbows!" were precisely what prevented them being declared a "Suspect Class" - a definable, bounded group known to be subject to discrimination. A second reason for denial was that they are not politically powerless - nice to have that recognised by the Court.

Oooh, have you a link for that? I'm struggling to search for it in the reams of transcribed oral testimony, amicus curia submissions, and other papers.

crossant · 03/11/2025 21:55

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/11/2025 21:25

Oooh, have you a link for that? I'm struggling to search for it in the reams of transcribed oral testimony, amicus curia submissions, and other papers.

It's most clearly stated in Alito's concurring opinion:

"Furthermore, there is no evidence that transgender individuals, like racial minorities and women, have been excluded from participation in the political process"

"[D]espite the small size of the transgender population, the members of this group have had notable success in convincing many lawmakers to address their problems."

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/11/2025 12:59

For others searching: https://www.scotusblog.com/cases/case-files/united-states-v-skrmetti/ has all, and I mean all, the files.

In the table, under "Opinion", you get all the justices' opinions in a huge, over 100 page file. Justice Alito's opinion starts on page 64. In page 83 he writes "The parties in this case also admit that transgender status is not an immutable characteristic. See Tr. of Oral Arg. 97-98. Instead, a person’s gender identity may "shif[t]," and a person who is transgender now may not be transgender later." The bolding is mine because my next paragraph follows that reference.

In the Scotusblog table, under "Argument", there's a link to an audio recording of the argument in court and a transcript of the audio recording. The transcript pages 97-98 feature Justice Alito getting activist barrister Chase Strangio to admit in court that "trans" includes gender fluidity and that detransitioners exist, therefore being trans isn't immutable and so laws that might vary in their effect based on whether someone is trans shouldn't be subject to the level of scrutiny[1] that laws disproportionately affecting Black people should be.

JUSTICE ALITO: Are there individuals who are born male, assigned male at birth, who at one point identify as female but then later come to identify as male, and, likewise, for individuals who are assigned female at birth, at some point identify as male - as female - I'm sorry - identify as male but later come to identify as female? Are there not such people?
MR. [sic] STRANGIO:There are such people. I agree with that, Justice Alito.
JUSTICE ALITO: So it's not an immutable characteristic, is it?

Back to Justice Alito's opinion:
Moreover, transgender status, unlike race and sex, is often not accompanied by visibly identifiable characteristics. A person's "gender identity" is an "internal sense," Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, at 520, and transgender persons as a class do not uniformly "exhibit obvious, immutable, or distinguishing characteristics that define them as a discrete group," Lyng, 477 U. S., at 638. Nor do they necessarily tend to "carry an obvious badge" of their membership in the class that might serve to exacerbate discrimination. Mathews, 427 U. S., at 506. Bolding mine.

How's "you can't tell if someone's trans" working out for you, TRAs?

Justice Alito's dismantling of the very idea that an internal identity can grant membership of an oppressed class is truly masterful.

[1] This refers to a very approximate US equivalent to an English law being subject to judicial review because it breaches the Equality Act 2010.

United States v. Skrmetti

https://www.scotusblog.com/cases/case-files/united-states-v-skrmetti/

Valeriekat · 04/11/2025 14:19

TripTrapTripTrapTrip · 28/10/2025 09:48

if you are okay with going round hating and considering vermin a huge percentage of the people you come across in daily life, you carry on @MarvellousMonsters, and others on the thread saying similar.

Personally I couldn’t live with myself feeling (and stoking) that level of hatred of my fellow humans.

If your political beliefs makes you hate so many people, there’s something wrong with your political beliefs.

Well said and the responses serve to confirm that statement.

HildegardP · 05/11/2025 00:21

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/11/2025 21:25

Oooh, have you a link for that? I'm struggling to search for it in the reams of transcribed oral testimony, amicus curia submissions, and other papers.

In the Opinion of the Court the response is at 16:2 but the real meat is in Barret's concurrence.I'll try posting the link; www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-477_2cp3.pdf

HildegardP · 05/11/2025 00:25

@selffellatingouroborosofhate Sorry, it's late & I'm tired - you wanted the plaintiffs refs. All the main daftnesses are cited by Barrett so you should be able to cross-reference them easily.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/11/2025 02:31

Dear US Supreme Court Justices, it's really easy to add tables of contents to PDFs these days.

ScrollingLeaves · 05/02/2026 23:03

MarvellousMonsters · 27/10/2025 18:42

No Tories I get, but the No TERFS is deliberately inflammatory.

‘She claims the manager told her to “read a biology textbook”. ‘

he should take his own advice.

Why do you ‘get’ that it’s ok to tell a person to leave a shop because they are Tory?

edited for typo

lcakethereforeIam · 05/02/2026 23:06

Zombie thread much like Hobbycraft is heading towards being a zombie name on the High Street.

hholiday · 06/02/2026 06:22

lcakethereforeIam · 05/02/2026 23:06

Zombie thread much like Hobbycraft is heading towards being a zombie name on the High Street.

This week, they’ve had to issue a massive recall because some of their children’s craft kits contained sand possibly contaminated with asbestos. Apparently a parent spotted the kits in store looked similar to ones that were the subject of a similar recall in New Zealand and had to get them sent away for testing (asbestos was found). Safeguarding kids at hobbycraft means about as much as you’d expect: https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/the-latest-product-recalls-from-which-a3wvq1N4wOPE

The latest product recalls and safety alerts from Which? - Which?

The product recalls and safety alerts you need to know about in February, including some Hobbycraft sand that may be contaminated with asbestos

https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/the-latest-product-recalls-from-which-a3wvq1N4wOPE

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