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Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

Have you ever heard of the group ‘Queers for Palestine’?

Precisely zero logic going on there. Ditto the heavily left wing ‘queer, trans activists’ trying to support a recent Muslim demonstration and getting told to get lost.

You appear to be disappointed that women that you characterise as ‘right wing’ are not being ostracised for their views. Can you explain what you mean by ‘right wing’?

Re queers for Palestine, they were apparently protesting the stonewall conference 😆🤣

Women are people. Why should they be any less racist or authoritarian than other people?

Eventually we're going to need an omni-parable: The boy who cried wolf that wasn't wearing any sheep's clothing.

Thanks for all your responses. Was off doing Sunday lunch so I’m now at a point where engaging with each one would need a notebook and pen, so apologies that I’m only going to manage to chip in here and there.

So some of the views - that in general, people who present and vote for extreme right politics don’t feel listened to and feel put down in many areas of life, often much more on a class basis than due to sex. For sure.
Being in another area of politics it feels as if we do nothing BUT listen to Farage and all his mates. If it’s about cost of living for example, in that women as a group tend to be poorer and more responsible for buying food for families than men, he has personally cost us a fortune. Why doesn’t that influence women? Does nobody care that a major figure in Reform took Russian bribes to promote their talking points - literal treason? Is patriotism different these days - as long as you put up a flag and wear the right poppy, the nation is fair game for anyone who pays? Do we think he was the only one?

Maybe also, although I haven’t seen this said here, that women who embrace the extreme right get media attention and time which suits them and suits their party, as they look more like a party for everyone - that in a way those parties play a diversity game of their own.

Well, even as a fully paid up chatterati type, I remember that outcast feeling - when the Labour party leader (Corbyn at the time) embraced Lily Madigan as a women’s officer and was seen promoting this very obviously troubled and inexperienced young male as a terrific choice to represent women’s interests in their branch and that woman on the front bench (name escapes me) said she’d be keeping a spot in parliament for LM - it felt like ‘normal’ politicians had gone a bit mad and were deliberately excluding anyone who could see reality. So I do get that. And I see why the BBC despite criticism has given Farage a big platform since UKIP hit a certain level, in accordance with what they are required to do. I dont think they get any credit from Reform for that of course, as it doesn’t fit Reform’s donors wishes to give the Beeb any credit. But then, why doesn’t Farage’s misogyny cut through with women? What’s the appeal there?

I think some just want to fling insults wherever, it doesn’t make much sense.

This is what I find particularly toxic.

@Darkdiamond you missed the OR in my statement.

lack of critical thinking skills OR gain financial benefit

Some women have reason to believe their personal interests are best served in a world run by white men, so align with politics that resists any change or challenge to this.
Women fortunate enough to be treated well by the white men in their world see the biggest threat to their personal security as coming from 'others'.
They don't want to support diversity initiatives that might benefit disadvantaged women or women of colour, because their husband or son might lose out.
They are happy to disadvantage Muslim women to allay their fear of Muslim men.
They prefer to point the finger at 'men on boats' as the risk to women because it diverts attention from the group of men they need to keep on side.
Add to this a 'left' that has moved far away from the policies its traditional voting pool would wish to see in favour of supporting luxury beliefs, and while right wing policies don't appear to align with the rights of women as a group, you can see where the support comes from and why.

The front bench woman was Angela Rayner.

Left wing, right wing, middle wing - how about we just start using some common sense?

True - but if you haven't got the ability to persuade others of the merits of your argument by reasoning, what other alternative do you have but to resort to insult and abuse?

Yes - they seem to be another one of those people who cannot rely on reason and the merits of their argument to persuade people, and have to resort instead to insult and abuse - or in this case ostracism and cancellation.

Nothing like debate and the free exchange of ideas

fucking hell

haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but man alive. can't imagine you win many hearts and minds chicken

you couldn't persuade me to cross the road if this side of the road was on fire with an attitude like that

Well enjoy your future of living in the Handmaids tale when the emerging Christian Right rise to power and take away all your hard won freedoms & privileges.

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

I think they might be getting something out of provoking women. That ‘shame’ stuff was odd and odious.

Seen this argument a million times in the US by Democrats.
Meanwhile Trump said women under Title IX mean biological women and men are out of women's changing rooms and bathrooms and we still have legal abortion in the US.
I'm concerned about prostitution, porn and surrogacy, which the Left promote against women's well-being.

oh my god

you're a putin paid agent sitting in a bot farm somewhere charged with stirring up instability in the West and I claim my £5.

You can't really be a real person who thinks the voting booth should not be a private place, I just refuse to believe it

Well exactly.

@ThreeWordHarpy - "... I’ve said before, I’m an old fashioned lefty who thinks the Attlee government was the pinnacle example of a government changing society for a better future for all. I would like state ownership of key infrastructure like energy, water, transport and communications. I want said state ownership to focus on sustainability of said infrastructure. Building of council houses to replace the housing stock sold off in the 80s as it should have been done then. I want universal healthcare, and universal education up to the age of 21 whether that’s vocational, technical or academic. Paired with enough funding to have enough essential services like dentists, police officers, nurses, care workers, judges, barrister. More police, more prison places, more criminal courts, more investment in defence and the armed services..."

Going off topic but I was an old-fashioned lefty too.

Problem is all of the things you - and I used - to want are unaffordable because the taxpayer who eventually has to fund all these things is unwilling to foot the bill. Somebody has to pay for it and nobody wants to. Or the people who do want to can't afford it.

The Keynesian idea that you can overcome an economic depression by spending your way out of it might be true, but if you aren't in a depression then all that spending money you haven't got does is create a massive Ponzi scheme around the necks of future generations.

And with all the turmoil that the impending climate crisis and trying to achive net zero carbon emissions will entail, I don't think we can afford all the things on your wish list

Just playing devil’s advocate, many people would say that they want all those things too but they aren’t affordable without limits to immigration, benefits etc.

I have to say, the lefty argument that goes 'fall into line in on transwomen talking your single sex spaces and language away or you'll end up with no reproductive rights' is ... um ... edifying.

How about no, we will not be bullied. We'll keep fighting for ALL of our rights, not just the ones lefty men approve of. 🙄

Do you want to play this game? Really? He wasn't condoning the rapes but just had an unfortunate slip of the tongue?

There's a new campaign on the go called "Women Against the Far Right". It's got endorsements from Labour MPs, union officials and left wing celebrities. Sounds great, right?

Unless you know - and they don't make a secret of this - that the campaign is a wholly owned front of the Socialist Workers Party. You know, the group who covered up for the leader who raped 17 year old girls who were silly enough to think they would be safe in a left wing organisation.

Do you have a problem with this? Do you have reservations about unions funding, and MPs and celebrities endorsing, a campaign organised and led by literal rape enablers?

Or is that something we should just turn a blind eye to, because they may be rape enablers because at least they aren't right wing.

Jesus, the lengths people will go to just to put up a firewall in defence of their beloved Labour Party...

Wow — public shaming ‘enemies of the state,’ and yet here you are, wagging your finger at all the little women about the terror of living in a Handmaid’s Tale society.