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Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

In a multicultural and multi-faith society like modern Britain you have to be prepared to clamp down on people who threaten the stability of our nation by spouting unrefined hatred towards different demographics, even if it is considered a part of their civil liberties. One of the reasons the grooming cases were kept from the public consciousness is because the authorities were concerned that the working class in places like Rotherham would kick off and potentially cause serious serious ramifications for public order up and down the north of England. In the end it was the wrong decision because it got out anyway and of course people predictably rioted, but you can see the reasoning behind why they did what they did.

What’s going on here then? It’s so bizarre and on the feminist board

@Swiftasthewind just addressing your point about public record of voting

People don't generally vote on one issue. You will get people who are anti-abortion everywhere on the political spectrum.

Also, there are many good reasons why you have a secret ballot, not least because it means your employer - or from the past, the landowner - cannot force you to vote the way they want you to vote.

editing to add - I am alarmed that you think the cover-up with Rotherham was justified.

Being called right wing has all the effect of being called a Terf. i.e. none at all.
When everyone is a far right racist bigot for knowing/believing what 99% of ordinary people also do, it becomes meaningless.

We know who the fascists are.

Swift has a list, just like rick from the young ones.

It’s not a case of justifying it per se, the authorities were concerned about racists using the gangs as a way to sow discord amongst white and Pakistani communities. I feel like that is a sensible concern. Had they dealt with the problem in house, spoken to community leaders and convinced them to deal with the gangs internally, then there would never have been an issue for the far right to jump all over in the first place.

This.

You think corrupt Labour councils up to their neck in the grooming gang scandal should have been allowed to mark their own homework? Working with community elders "in house" to make the problem disappear?

And the real problem is unauthorised people speaking about it?

That's a take, I suppose.

Someone asking for voting to be public and shaming women. I know who is concerning.

You could say exactly the same thing about Zak Polanski. Any man who says a man can be a woman is a misogynist. Farage is a right wing misogynist. Polanski is a left wing misogynist. Hopefully The Greens and Your Party will enter a purity spiral of doom and implode. I'd describe myself as centre left and always used to vote to keep the Tories out. Now I'm voting to keep Reform out and feel the left have utterly betrayed me. I will never vote for a party that supports men being in women's spaces and treating children's mental health problems with puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and eventually treating young people with surgery. Currently Labour are just about the sanest vaguely left-wing party but if we're looking at party leaders then Kemi Badenoch is an actual woman who is completely firm about women's rights on this issue. I suspect I will be voting Labour at the next election to try to keep Reform out and I suspect I will fail.

I'm just going to say this, for many years the centre left's go-to argument for ignoring the grooming gang scandal was "oh these are just Nick Griffin and/or Tommy Robinson talking points and they're probably lying."

Even Julie Bindel, who did heroic work on this, often pulled her punches and seemed to say that, while the scandal was bad, it was almost as bad that right wingers, who by definition are the devil, were talking about it.

That's still an influential argument in Labour circles, which is why they're still trying to kick the issue into the long grass. And we're seeing here, in real time, the argument that covering it up was defensible in the name of community relations.

Good grief, if you hate Tommy Robinson, don't keep proving him right.

Kamala Harris is extremely appealing for many of us.

Not enough of you, though, was she?

Unfortunately Harris is a puppet like so many of them

You took the words right out of my mouth, only more politely.

It is shocking, on a feminist discussion board, that you are advocating that rapists shouldn't face the criminal justice system. If these criminals had been dealt with as soon as criminal allegations were made then it would never have got to this point. But here we are. The truth needs to come out. The rapists and their enablers need to be named and prosecuted. It's the only way we can move forward as a society. Unfortunately, there are many people in positions of power who will be wanting to cover this up. Not to protect a multicultural society but to save their own sorry hides.

Thank you for articulating this so beautifully Darkdiamond.

Especially:

Locking anyone behind a label instantly dehumanises and silences them, and if it doesn't, it taints their argument with a sense of incredibility before they even get started.

This era of the 'Great Labelling' seems such an unhealthy fragmentation and I don't understand how we got here (or more, that there are just too many strands of cause to grasp hold of).

crikey, and now this completely legit and not stirring at all poster is advocating for child rapists to be dealt with by community leaders, as opposed to, say, the police

seems just like something a completely normal person with no weird agenda would definitely post

I hope she runs in 2028, I really like JD Vance for president.

If I’m really honest, right now, I’m more worried about “far left women” who appear to have zero concerns about grown men changing next to their daughters and are happily arguing for the inclusion of men pumping themselves with cross sex hormones and domperidone in breastfeeding groups (historically single sex as it’s well known new mums disclose domestic or sexual abuse in such circumstances) so they can get their kicks whilst “breastfeeding” their partner’s newborn baby

I see far more of those women in my daily life

In a multicultural and multi-faith society like modern Britain you have to be prepared to clamp down on people who threaten the stability of our nation by spouting unrefined hatred towards different demographics

Without fear or favour.

I even know of a nhs female paediatrician who specialises in infant feeding who supports the men I’ve just mentioned ffs.

Fretting over the rise of the Christian Right, yet out of the Grand Inquisitor’s toolbox, lighting pyres and reassuring people it’s ‘for their own good’ to save their souls, and, for the greater good, clearing the stench of heresy from society.

I mean one of the problems we have in the Yookay is a feckless political class that doesn't know how to do anything except narrative management, and can't even do that right.

So, as far as Keir Starmer is concerned, the real problem concerning grooming gangs is one of disinformation spread by bad actors. I don't like Elon Musk, but Starmer showed much more anger condeming Musk for talking about the scandal than he's ever shown about the scandal itself.

But anyway. Let's have a thought experiment about "the authorities" engaging with "community elders" to deal with "the gangs", before knowledge of the problem leaked out to the white plebs. You want to know why this doesn't work?

Because it's not just a problem of Abdul and his mates being charged with rape. It's also a problem of Abdul's uncle who owns the taxi firm, and Abdul's mum who's deputy leader of the council, and his sister who works in social services, and his cousin who's a copper and hears about investigations, and another uncle who's a bigwig on the regional Labour Party committee...

That's how a lot of these northern towns work. It's not "gangs", it's massive extended family networks embedded in institutions, and nobody has even put in the serious work of seeing if, let's say, the Rotherham gang members are connected to those in Oldham or Telford or Wycombe. Because that's something Labour dare not contemplate.

And the working class whites in these towns might not have the social capital to get a hearing from the Guardian or BBC, but they're not stupid, and they can notice things happening around them even if they've never heard of Tommy Robinson. Especially they can notice the authorities lying to them.

The information coming out regarding abuse of postal and proxy votes reinforces the need for in-person, secret ballots.
Many people who covered up what was happening in Rotherham and elsewhere were able, apparently, to obtain and hold positions of influence and power by manipulating voting.
Perhaps this is what @Swiftasthewind is advocating for.