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Far right women

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PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 10:37

Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

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nauticant · 26/10/2025 13:54

I assumed it was a satirical post. Is it actually for real?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:54

It is for real. Advanced search the poster.

nauticant · 26/10/2025 13:55

Blimey.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/10/2025 13:56

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid.

This is the exact same thing people said about Conservatives at the last election and we ended up with Labour who clearly also don't care about women.

Do any of them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:57

WallaceinAnderland · 26/10/2025 13:56

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid.

This is the exact same thing people said about Conservatives at the last election and we ended up with Labour who clearly also don't care about women.

Do any of them?

No.

Howseitgoin · 26/10/2025 13:58

PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 11:51

“It drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people” Pochin
Bondi turning the judiciary into an enforcement department for the executive branch
Noem posing in a vest in front of a detention cage

These are women of the extreme right. Argue that if you like, I don’t agree. My question is, what attracts women to this end of politics?

Yep I appreciate your point in that what attracts someone to a party that isn't in their interests. I suspect at the leadership level its power hence you see women & minorities who know their parties openly despise them & want to implement policies that would hurt their identity group. The trade off is they get a 'special' status within their party for denouncing their own. They know they are being exploited but don't care because of the power they get. They are considered as 'one of the good one's' & are tolerated within the party.

I guess it comes down to forgoing principles for benefit. Vance is married to a woman of Indian descent & knows that not only his party but constituents are repulsed by this but doesn't care because of the trade off of power within the party. Same goes for Vivek Raviswami, Marjorie Taylor Green etc.

EasternStandard · 26/10/2025 14:00

Soontobe60 · 26/10/2025 13:52

Have you always been so dismissive of women or is this a new thing? Listen to yourself!

I think they’re trying to provoke women for some reason.

nauticant · 26/10/2025 14:01

The Left has got a real problem if it's going to persist with this approach:

No matter how often we tell people that they're ignorant, stupid, and bigoted, they still persist in not changing they views to fits in with ours. How can this be?

zazazaaar · 26/10/2025 14:02

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:48

Again, even if you do think this, it’s better not to call people you want to persuade to your point of view “ignorant and stupid”.

Ignorant OR stupid. Either they are unaware of how little Reform cares about women's rights (thus ignorant) or or they are aware or Reform's values and policies but aren't able to see that this will damage women's rights (thus not very bright).

Sadly some people on here have aligned Reform bandwaggoning on our issue as some sort of reason to think they care about women.

zazazaaar · 26/10/2025 14:03

WallaceinAnderland · 26/10/2025 13:56

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid.

This is the exact same thing people said about Conservatives at the last election and we ended up with Labour who clearly also don't care about women.

Do any of them?

Sadly I think you are right. I would love to be proven wrong. Though some are worse than others and Reform is definitely in that camp.

ThreeWordHarpy · 26/10/2025 14:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:48

Again, even if you do think this, it’s better not to call people you want to persuade to your point of view “ignorant and stupid”.

Amen

DH were discussing the Welsh by-election result when it was on the news and it’s getting ever more obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that Reform are becoming the party of “the working class” and are going to be the next government. Left and Right values are being completely realigned and “far-right” is becoming meaningless.

I’ve said before, I’m an old fashioned lefty who thinks the Attlee government was the pinnacle example of a government changing society for a better future for all. I would like state ownership of key infrastructure like energy, water, transport and communications. I want said state ownership to focus on sustainability of said infrastructure. Building of council houses to replace the housing stock sold off in the 80s as it should have been done then. I want universal healthcare, and universal education up to the age of 21 whether that’s vocational, technical or academic. Paired with enough funding to have enough essential services like dentists, police officers, nurses, care workers, judges, barrister. More police, more prison places, more criminal courts, more investment in defence and the armed services.

Who TF do I vote for, and where TF would the money come to pay for all of that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 14:15

zazazaaar · 26/10/2025 14:02

Ignorant OR stupid. Either they are unaware of how little Reform cares about women's rights (thus ignorant) or or they are aware or Reform's values and policies but aren't able to see that this will damage women's rights (thus not very bright).

Sadly some people on here have aligned Reform bandwaggoning on our issue as some sort of reason to think they care about women.

Like I said, it’s best not to insult people you hope to persuade.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 14:16

nauticant · 26/10/2025 14:01

The Left has got a real problem if it's going to persist with this approach:

No matter how often we tell people that they're ignorant, stupid, and bigoted, they still persist in not changing they views to fits in with ours. How can this be?

In a nutshell.

DeanElderberry · 26/10/2025 14:16

I've never heard of them, are they all American?

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 26/10/2025 14:17

With how much 'far-right' gets bandied around these days, I'm almost convinced that it doesn't exist, as in the left-wing hasn't seen anything genuinely right-wing, probably ever, they just see anything centrist (slightly to the right of left) as extreme. It's also lost meaning over the years, like the words 'racist', 'xenophobe', 'Nazi', 'homophobe', 'misogynist' etc. Words have meaning. Those particular ones don't anymore.

Darkdiamond · 26/10/2025 14:25

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 26/10/2025 14:17

With how much 'far-right' gets bandied around these days, I'm almost convinced that it doesn't exist, as in the left-wing hasn't seen anything genuinely right-wing, probably ever, they just see anything centrist (slightly to the right of left) as extreme. It's also lost meaning over the years, like the words 'racist', 'xenophobe', 'Nazi', 'homophobe', 'misogynist' etc. Words have meaning. Those particular ones don't anymore.

Agreed, and stating that right-wing women have no logic, as stated by a previous poster, defies logic in itself. Are right-wing women excluded from professions such as academics, engineering and science on the basis of their political opinions and worldview? How can an entire group of women with conservative views, worldwide, all be incapable of logical thought? Words matter!

GallantKumquat · 26/10/2025 14:28

nauticant · 26/10/2025 11:34

If the prospect of Erica Kirk or JD Vance being elected after 2028 is such a terrible prospect for the US, perhaps the Democrats could take responsibility for this and offer the electorate someone who would be more appealing. That wouldn't be Kamala Harris.

The last 10 years has been quite disorienting for me. The rise of Trumpism out of the ashes of the tea party and religious right was extremely perplexing because Trump, of all people, could not (would not) articulate a coherent policy or ideological position - he essentially channeled grievance and resentment with a strong dose of conspiracy theory. There were many investigative pieces during his first term trying to get inside the heads of his supporters and it seemed an impossible task, e.g. they were either advocating for more government involvement in the economy or less, they either wanted to resurrect the culture wars or were tired of them, they either hated the ultra rich or idolized them, etc. There was a similar dynamic with ukip and brexit, but more muted because the Tories were in power and there was much less difference between Tories and Labour. But in both cases grievance, resentment and conspiracy was the common denominator.

In the 2024 campaign, project 2025 emerged, and I must say I was shocked. The "Mandate for Leadership manual" and the "180 day playbook" are remarkable documents, and between them they put the pieces together in a way that was coherent and compelling. In particular the argument made is that racial, sex, sexuality, and gender distinctions have been emphasized in government, not for profits, company HR and by the courts in a way that's divisive and has legalized permanent sanctions against approved targets and elevated an unelected and unaccountable caste to met them out. It also postulates that government has been taken over by unaccountable bureaucrats whose see their primary mission as promoting ideology, and see their secondary mission of as shirking as much work as possible. It also takes on foreign policy to show that the costs to the US of keeping the global trade system running, which benefits the whole world, is far outstripping inflation.

Not only is the project coherent and compelling it also provides meaning for the anger on the right and goes some way to explaining why it might not be well articulated by the man on the streat, but that they have a point.

I would hasten to add that I'm not arguing that Project 2025 is right, but instead that it's coherent and persuasive and unaccountably, the left is totally clueless of its contents, instead it's raised as a thought terminated accusation - if an idea can be linked to project 2025 it has been shown to have no merit.

Another interesting aspect is that many of the reforms in project 2025 originated in Democratic presidencies, which is to say the unaccountability and the inefficiency of the government sector has been seen as a bipartisan problem for some time (project 2025 references failed reforms initiated in the Carter administration!), and there is a very strong case to be made that Biden's weak and blinkered leadership greatly accelerated the dis-regulation. It should be obvious that if progressives are to carry out their many projects to improve society through safety nets, government services to the middle class and wealth equalizing measures, that it must make government more accountable and more efficient, that the current state of affairs puts the progressive project as a whole at risk. But comprehending that seems totally beyond the Democrats or the left more broadly.

LangTeng · 26/10/2025 14:29

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Timeforabitofpeace · 26/10/2025 14:36

Ah, protecting women. As if!

FKAT · 26/10/2025 14:43

Advetising is the ultimate expression of commercial reality.

25 years in advertising and marketing here. You could not be more wrong. Decisions are not necessarily made for commercial reasons. They are often made by people quite far down the food chain and detached from the commercial side of the business. And campaigns frequently go wrong. Have you not heard of Bud Light or Jaguar?

FKAT · 26/10/2025 14:52

I'm not sure if I'm far right. My beliefs are:

  • Anyone who thinks Farage, Sadiq Khan, Zac Polanski, Trump and Stephen YL are on the side of women and rape victims is an idiot
  • Anyone who think male migrants just want to sing kumbaya and join in our happy rainbow nation is an idiot
  • Women don't have penises
thatsthewayitis · 26/10/2025 14:58

Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump.
I think they're doing a great job and so is Pres. Trump. He's a populist not a standard Republican and he brought many centrist Democrats on board like Tulsi Gabbard and JFK jr.
I'm a lifelong conservative, lesbian, Jewish too with ivy league and law degrees. I will say; spreading democracy, nation building, globalization were all things I once supported and I was wrong. It's okay to be wrong. And I'm glad I was wrong about Pres. Trump.
In the US plenty of East Asians,South Asians, Hispanics and African-Americans are Republican or vote Republican. White conservatives embrace them. Charlie Kirk did too.

Istanbol · 26/10/2025 14:59

Far right is the new transphobia. Its thrown at people to get them to stop talking and shut down the conversation.

LangTeng · 26/10/2025 15:02

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zazazaaar · 26/10/2025 15:10

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 26/10/2025 14:17

With how much 'far-right' gets bandied around these days, I'm almost convinced that it doesn't exist, as in the left-wing hasn't seen anything genuinely right-wing, probably ever, they just see anything centrist (slightly to the right of left) as extreme. It's also lost meaning over the years, like the words 'racist', 'xenophobe', 'Nazi', 'homophobe', 'misogynist' etc. Words have meaning. Those particular ones don't anymore.

They still do. Its just become normalised to openly express bigotry again whereas for a few short years pre brexit it was less common.