Far right women

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Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

AS is informative.

What attracts them to far right?
insecurity
ugly hearts
lacK of critical thinking skills or ; they are financially benefiting by perpetuating the hate

a side note - we need to know names of who funds which parties and transparency on what they gain from it.. (all parties)

Alas, what a shame, the useless, stupid thickos are going to prove how morally superior the anti Reform voters are, by winning the election.

'Why on earth won't these useless, loser thickos not listen when I tell them what they ought to do?'

Ey?

I'm sure there are pockets of the far right still about, yep. (They sure as fuck aren't on a feminist board on Mumsnet, fwiw).

And the constant virtuous pleb-bashing is highly likely to encourage a renaissance of more extreme responses from those who are bereft of real choice, politically.

Careful…. Not enough hand wringing. This post won’t be tolerated here.

If people genuinely don't want Reform to win the next election, they need to ask questions and listen to the reasons people are proposing to vote for them.

Insulting people and othering them does not persuade.

Do feel free to ask if there's anything else you need explained. Genuinely, I'm happy to help.

I knew many Iranians; moderates. The left supported Ayatollah Khomeini and the islamists to overthrow the pro-Western Shah. Once they were in power, the islamists killed off the left.
Rinse, repeat.

Exactly, but people are much more interested in insulting and handwringing.

For years the british public have said that they are against indiscriminate immigration. And governments have ignored that. The left are going beyond that and saying that anyone who doesnt priotise immigration and inclusion & diversity above their own needs are bigoted, ignorant and stupid.

And now these enlightened people on the left are scratching their heads wondering why people arent voting for these policies.

If these policies are so beneficial, everyone would see that and vote for them.

Just like haranguing women to vote for Labour or the Democrats isn’t likely to work if a) Labour or the Democrats have indulged in such silly identity politics that they have made themselves unelectable to many people and b) you do it in a high handed, patronising and insulting way.

Are women some kind of amorphous blob who all have to share your woke opinions, OP?

You are being unreasonable.

What attracts them to far right?
insecurity
ugly hearts
lacK of critical thinking skills or ; they are financially benefiting by perpetuating the hate
It's almost as though some posters don't read threads. Ugly hearts though, that's a new one

Probably because when Brexit happened (2016 was a pivotal year in politics; Trump (American politics understandably features a lot in the Anglosphere) and Brexit), both sides of the divide harboured a fair few crazies. Steve Bray, for example, practically made a living by yelling 'Stop Brexit' and harassing MPs for years.

Equally, TR re-emerged having not long separated from the EDL (I think they disbanded entirely) and he made a living by grifting, or continuing the grift, not sure which.

Sooner or later, people get fed up with being labelled, being categorised and put in boxes.

I can’t don’t really understand why people go to the extreme left or extreme right. The reality of living in a far left regime or far right regime would be pretty bad for most women.

Indeed, on the fwr board. Tone deaf or goady?

I can't speak for their hearts or insecurities, but Ivanka Trump has a degree in Economics and Erika Kirk has one in International Relations and Political Sciences. These are just the first two conservative women who popped into my head on the basis of this thread. My own degree was an arty humanities one, but I still got a First and I had to ensure that all of my coursework and exams were full of critical analysis-literally 3 years of research which I took seriously.

I can't imagine doing their degrees without having any critical thinking skills. It's so arrogant to think that people are just stupid if they don't agree with you. I listen to all kind of commentators and they generally always provide some kind of evidence for their thinking, left and right. I would never claim that left leaning people are thick because their views don't align with mine.

I agree, and I heard Charlie Kirk referred to as extreme right. He literally went into universities to encourage debate and dialogue. Honestly, facists aren't into debate, at all.

This is why the left needs to get its self sorted out.

I accidentally came across This isn’t working podcast by Tanya De Grunwald. I heard the one where she went to the reform conference - really fascinating.

the left need to be studying what’s going on and why. And start engaging with the topics that matter but are very hard.

then I heard the stonewall conference one — also fascinating. (I’m doing lots of diy this wkend)

then the Supreme Court one, and then one on education which was brilliant. Then the one about the HR conference.

cant remember which one now, probably the education one but maybe not, talked openly about young white boys from more deprived areas and their opportunities. These are some of the kids that are going to reform - the uk / Labour needs to get the kinds of opportunities back eg vocational courses etc

someone mentioned Matthew Syed and I toddled off and am listening to his triggernometry interview / discussion which is entitled cousin marriage, but really does explore so many other things, including race, economics, immigration etc.,

basically lots of liberal lefties really tackling these extremely difficult topics that Labour / momentum have ignored for years. And voila! Reform.

(Reform isn’t the far right. But it could evolve further. And it feels more right than the tories right now. )

Well said. I have watched tv with adverts recently and it struck me that in many ad breaks, the proportion of ethnic minorities and white is entirely unreflective of actual society.

I’ve seen various mentions of this before so me being me wanted to establish whether it was confirmation bias or not, like when I noticed that sofa adverts feature tiny models.

As a random example, in the Argos catalogue (dh picked it up for nostalgic purposes), of approx 80 images of people, there were approx 20 of white British.

Now I have no problem with this in itself but it does seem to be the case that as in the RAF and MI5, DEI has overshot somewhat and is now actively minimising visibility of, or discriminating against white British (this is a standard category given on many population surveys).

I know things have got to the point that for even noticing this I will be accused of being racist but I know that my views are not racist so hey ho.

I listened to a radio 4 programme with an interviewer talking to people on a housing estate about why they put all the flags up recently, I have never heard such a series of superior, patronising, gotcha based questions in one period of time. No interest in why people wanted to fly flags, or what they were thinking or feeling. It was horrible to listen to.

It didn’t help that the interviewer had a nice educated middle class southern accent, and the estate was in the north.

Why did they bother wasting those people’s time, or the time of the listener.

If you can’t see that people don’t go around hating for fun, there’s generally a genuine concern or fear or experience behind it, and you need to understand and deal with it, then you only get more division and entrenched views, and you get no progress.

yes to both these posts.

I’ll link to the podcasts directly if anyone is interested

It's got to such an absurd point now that just failing to vociferously condemn the stipulated people marks someone out as 'far right'.

As well as the Emperor's New Clothes, it's worth bearing in mind the Boy Who Cried Wolf.